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    Dassault-UAE Talks Progress on Rafale Sale
    Defense News, Feb 21

    ABU DHABI - Talks between Dassault Aviation and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) on a possible sale of the Rafale fighter jet are going well, with Dassault officials hoping for a deal in the medium to long term, an executive of the aircraft company said at the IDEX trade show.

    "The discussions are going well," the executive said. An announcement on the Rafale was not expected in the near term, he said. In the short term, Dassault was supporting the Mirage 2000 operated by the UAE, while the Rafale was seen as a medium- or long-term prospect, he said.

    Good relations between the UAE and France have been restored after hitting a rough patch last year, when a report ran late June in the daily newspaper Le Figaro which offended the Abu Dhabi authorities.

    The Dassault family owns the Figaro and is the controlling shareholder of Dassault Aviation

    At a low point in bilateral relations, UAE defense officials asked the U.S. government for technical information on the F/A-18 Super Hornet. Subsequently, relations were smoothed out between France and Abu Dhabi.

    "They managed to fix it," a gulf defense official said. "The talks are back on."

    French Prime Minister François Fillon recently visited Abu Dhabi, seen as a sign of improved ties between Paris and the UAE.

    France sets great store by an export sale of the Rafale, which is the standard bearer of national prestige in world politics, a much-needed source of cash for the straitened defense budget and an export beacon for the French aerospace industry.
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    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php...43&c=AIR&s=TOP


    Air & Cosmos No. 2253, February 2011 page 17

    A Thales official said that discussions are underway between Thales and the DGA to integrate in 2011 ,into the RBE2 AESA roadmap, the improvements requested by the UAE. Performance gains will be achieved by software processing.

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    "Scalp" Rafale



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    Dassault Aviation: Annual sales up 22%.



    Dassault Aviation publishes an annual turnover of 4.2 million euros for 2010, up 22%.
    The aircraft manufacturer reported a turnover of 1.3 million euros in the fourth quarter of the year, up 14%.
    From:
    http://www.daily-bourse.fr/dassault-...21823FE8FE.php

    Edit:
    Excellent 2010 results for Dassault Systemes too:
    http://quicktake.morningstar.com/Sto...aspx?id=370406
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    Kaveri Update In Parliament
    Livefist , feb 23

    India's Kaveri turbofan engine programme came up in Parliament today. Here's what the House was told: "It is proposed to develop production version Kaveri (K10) engine on co-design & co-development basis with M/s Snecma, France. The technical evaluation for this proposal has been completed. Tender Purchase Committee (TPC) with members from DRDO, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Indian Air Force (IAF), Indian Navy (IN) and Integrated Finance (R&D) is negotiating the commercial aspects."
    From:
    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02...arliament.html

    For the record : Dassault offered to fit "Indians" Rafale with the Kaveri engine
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    French diplomatic offensive in brazil:

    France supports Brazil as a permanent member of UN Security Council
    Agencia Brasil, Feb 22

    Brasília – The Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, Michele Alliot-Marie, today defended (22) an immediate reform of the structure of the Security Council of the United Nations (UN) in which Brazil would occup a permanent seat. The French support is crucial because the country is a permanent member of the board. She said Brazil has played a "vital role" in the international context.
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    http://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/home...icleId=3195149

    France offers full transfer of technology
    O Globo , Feb 22

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    In separate meetings with President Rousseff, with Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, and with the Foreign Minister, Antonio Patriota, the minister said that no others proposals equal the French offer in matter of technology transfer.
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    Sarkozy invits Dilma to visit France, says embassy

    Extra Globo, Feb 22

    BRASILIA (*******) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy invited president Rousseff to visit France and she would have accepted,said the [french]embassy on Tuesday. The travel date, however, was not set.

    According to the embassy, the French foreign minister, Michèle Alliot-Marie, visiting Brazil, handed Dilma a letter from Sarkozy, in which the agent highlights the strategic partnerships and good bilateral relations.
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    http://extra.globo.com/noticias/bras...a-1124934.html

    France offers support to Brazil to withdraw its citizens from Libya

    Terra Brazil, Feb 22

    The Minister of Foreign Affairs of France, Michèle Alliot-Marie, on Tuesday offered to help his country to evacuate about 130 Brazilians who work in the Libyan city of Benghazi, apparently under the control of opponents of Muammar Qaddafi.
    [...]
    From:
    http://noticias.terra.com.br/noticia...+da+Libia.html


    But F-X2 is now officially suspended.





    In the case of fighters, the operation "is not canceled," but will be suspended "until budget problems are overcome," pointed out a spokesman from the press office of the Ministry of Defence.
    From:
    http://noticias.br.msn.com/brasil/ar...entid=27763126




    According to Jobim Jobim, the current restrictions, resulting from cuts in the federal budget, leave no room for a short-term decision about the project FX-2.
    From:
    https://www.defesa.gov.br/index.php/...diz-jobim.html

    More:
    http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/n...s,683075,0.htm

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    well if now they don't choose the Rafale, I guess it's definitely f***ed up lol

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    Optimism over Rafale fighter jet sale to UAE

    The national , feb 24

    ABU DHABI // A top official of Dassault Aviation, the French maker of the Rafale and Mirage fighter jets, has expressed optimism about the prospects of selling the Rafale to the UAE, and denied that the talks are taking longer than expected.

    Eric Trappier, the executive vice president of Dassault, also spoke of the broad contours of the company's relationship with the UAE, saying it included upgrading the country's existing Mirage fleet and developing joint ventures with Emirati companies to help promote the local defence industry.

    The UAE first indicated in 2008 that it was interested in the Rafale as a possible replacement for the Mirage, but little progress has been reported on the deal so far.

    Reports have also emerged that the UAE had sought technical information on the F/A-18 Super Hornet, a direct competitor to the Rafale. However the US company Boeing, which makes the F/A-18, has denied receiving any such request.

    Nearly half the UAE's fighter fleet is made up of the French Mirage 2000 and the more advanced Mirage 2000-9, or Dash 9. There are 60 Mirages in service and almost 80 F-16s.

    The Mirage 2000-9 was a significant collaboration between the UAE and Dassault, said Mr Trappier. "Our first duty is to support the UAE Air Force. The programme is going well, and we are continuing to upgrade the Mirage," he said.

    The UAE awarded Dassault a contract on Tuesday to upgrade the armaments and software on the country's Mirage fleet in a deal worth Dh112 million.

    Before acquiring the existing Mirage fleet, the UAE operated French Mirage 3 fighters. "We hope that Rafale could be the next step," Mr Trappier said

    But he said his company would continue upgrading the UAE Mirages as the Air Force asked for more improvements.

    The Mirage 2000-9 incorporates many of the requirements requested by the UAE military. But "as [in] any programme for a fighter in the world, step by step there are new requests and new requirements", he said.

    While talks on the Rafale continue, the company is working with the local Emirati defence sector on developing technology, education and manufacturing bases that can support the Rafale, he said.

    The UAE confirmed that the military's technical committees are studying the Rafale, but Maj Gen Obeid al Ketbi said this did not indicate the UAE was necessarily leaning towards purchasing it. He also did not say if the Rafale was facing any competition to replace the Mirage.

    Gen al Ketbi is the spokesman for the International Defence Exhibition (Idex), which ends today.

    Mr Trappier declined to say when the deal could be concluded, saying the decision rests with the Government.

    "I am optimistic," he said. "I will not tell you that this could be signed today, tomorrow, or after tomorrow. The decision is mainly in the hands of the UAE Air Force and the Government of the UAE."

    He added that "we've had this very long relationship … with the UAE. We are very optimistic because the next logical step is the Rafale.

    He said his company would "try to finalise a programme with all the annexes, technical, logistics, training, offsets, the partnerships with some companies".

    Other Gulf countries besides the UAE have expressed interest in the Rafale, but Saudi Arabia was not one of them, said Mr Trappier.

    He said that the deal was not taking longer than expected, noting that Mirage negotiations had taken a similar amount of time.

    "I think it's a big contract and they are happy with the Mirage," he said. "There is no hurry. If there is a hurry, we are also ready, but it is up to the UAE authorities … to decide when and how."

    He said the UAE had asked for advancements to the standard Rafale, including improvements to software and an antenna. The French government, also a Dassault client, has also asked for some changes.

    But he did not cite a price estimate for those changes, whose costs were rumoured to be among the reasons why the deal has been delayed. He said the improvements sought by the UAE or France would be paid by the country requesting them.

    Mr Trappier did deny that the cost of the changes had led to a delay, saying it was simply a large programme that needed time.

    He said the UAE was right to think about the Rafale's capabilities in terms of its long-term needs, and was always looking to the future.

    "There are some discussions to improve the basic aircraft into what could be the Rafale of the year 2020, 2025, 2030," he said.
    From:
    http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...et-sale-to-uae

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    Well with the FAB FX-2 program on hold and the Libyan deal for Rafale's is pretty much dead due to the revolution going on there. It seems like India and UAE are there only chance with the Rafale order.

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    Dassault Chief Says Eight Countries Considering Rafale Jet Order

    Feb 9

    Dassault Aviation SA, maker of Rafale fighter planes and Falcon corporate jets, is discussing the sale of the combat aircraft with eight potential buyers, Chief Executive Officer Charles Edelstenne told French lawmakers.
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...jet-order.html

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    But it is true that Dassaut has currently a lot more success with its softwares than with the Rafale.

    Lockheed Martin Expands Use of Dassault Systèmes Solutions
    Business Wire , Feb 24

    Dassault Systèmes, a world leader in 3D and Product Lifecycle Management (PLM) solutions, today announced that Lockheed Martin has migrated its F-35 Lightning II robotic painting workcells to Dassault Systèmes’ DELMIA Robotics. A long-time user of DELMIA manufacturing simulation solutions, Lockheed Martin’s new implementation of DELMIA Robotics has made the company’s manufacturing processes more efficient, leveraging a common interface across its CATIA design authoring and DELMIA digital manufacturing solutions
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    http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...tions-Upgrades

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    What are the 7 countries considering Rafale?

    India, Brazil, UAE, Switzerland, and... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke2 View Post
    What are the 7 countries considering Rafale?

    India, Brazil, UAE, Switzerland, and... ?
    + Libya
    + Bulgaria

    + probably Oman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slenke View Post
    + Libya
    + Bulgaria

    + probably Oman
    No, Libya is wrong; Dassault mentioned 8 countries; Olybrius then subtracted 1 (Libya) which leaves us with seven countries. If you include Libya there would be 8.

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    Government informs French minister that the Rafale is in the race

    Valor Economico via Notimp, Feb 23

    Postponing the decision on the project FX-2, the purchase of fighter planes for the Air Force (FAB), does not mean change in the "strategic relationship" between Brazil and France, and French Rafale aircraft are still those who appear to offer better technology transfer, the Brazilian government's interlocutors assured the Foreign Minister of France, Michèle Alliot-Marie. She was greeted by Defense Minister Nelson Jobim, the Foreign Minister, Antonio Patriota, and in particular deference by the president Rousseff.

    The "strategic relationship" with France can be measured by the French support for a permanent seat for Brazil on the Security Council of the United Nations, noted Alliot-Marie, in a short interview that followed a meeting with Patriota , in which two ministers spoke mainly on global issues such as the crisis in Arab countries. Support for the seat on the board marks a difference between France and the United States, another strong competitor to supply fighter jets to the Air Force.

    The conversation with the French minister came less than a month's visit to Brazil of U.S. President, Barack Obama, who has on offer for the sale of fighter jets built by Boeing a major theme of the visit.

    Officially, yesterday, the only manifestation of the Brazilian government about the fighter was an official note of Jobim, in which the minister says the decision will be taken "in due course" and that budget constraints do not allow for a decision "short-term "about the project FX-2.In the conversation with Jobim, however, the minister heard criticism about the transfer of technology from USA, which, according to the minister, was made by the Executive but can be changed by political pretexts by the U.S. Congress.

    Jobim also criticized, in conversation with the French minister, the other competing project, the Swedish Gripen, having components of many countries which, in his opinion, hinder the negotiation of technology transfer. He insisted that "besides the price," the technological capacity in Brazil is fundamental to the choice of new fighters. "In the French case, the transfer is not a promise, it's reality," said Alliot-Marie, noting that this type of trading is already underway in the Franco-Brazilian project for a submarine fleet.

    The minister came back to the subject in an interview with Foreign Minister Patriota, where she [Alliot-marie] secured authorization to Brazil to change the design and to sell the Rafale fighter to third countries without restrictions.
    Google translated From:
    http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/in...ostra_notimpol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke2 View Post
    No, Libya is wrong; Dassault mentioned 8 countries; Olybrius then subtracted 1 (Libya) which leaves us with seven countries. If you include Libya there would be 8.
    Well Bulgaria and Oman then.

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