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    Garuda 2010, still no Rafale but :







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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Ex Garuda Enters its Final Phase
    Air Marshal KK Nowhar Visits IAF Contingent
    over 60 Missions Sucessfully Flown by the IAF
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    Indian Ministry of Defence, June 23[/CENTER]

    The exercise Garuda 2010, presently underway at Istres Air Base in France, between the air forces of India France and Singapore has entered its final phase today. Over 60 missions have been successfully flown and the exercise would conclude on 25 Jun 2010.

    During the exrecise, the six IAF SU-30MKI along with the Mirage-2000-5 and Rafale and the F-16 were engaged in various air defence manouvres such as implementation of "no fly zones" and large force engagements during day and night. The SU-30 also took part in the high value air borne asset protection as well as their protection busting missions. The IL-78 refuellers of the IAF and the KC-135 refuellers of the French Air Force also participated in various missions carrying out cross refuelling (i,e, refuelling the fighters of the other air forces). Refuelling denials were practised making these missions more difficult.

    A unique feature to which the SU-30 were subjected was the "swing roles". In this type of missions, the same aircraft is simultaneously put to offensive as well as defensive roles. The E-3 AWACS provided the radar coverage during the Ex. The IAF special forces team "Gurad" have so far carried out two jumps each by day and night along with the French special forces. Our IL-76 is undertaking the task of these drops.

    Air Mshl KK Nowhar of the IAF who visited the contingent involved in the Garuda-2010 said - " Our participation in the Ex has reinforced the manner in which we conduct our operations. It has also helped us refine our doctrine. In future, there is a slim chance that a country would operate in isolation especially in a co-operative defence scenario. Thus knowing each others best practices in terms of tactics, techniques and procedures is the main objective of this exercise, which is also a part of the on-going Indo-French Defence Cooperation".

    According to Air Attache, Embassy of India, France, Air Cmde SK Ghotia who is also the chief coordinator of the IAF-FAF Cooperation, Garuda-2010 is a milestone in the Indo-French defence cooperation. This has been the widest scope ever accomplished between three nations. The Ex brought together the best fighting machines of the world such as the Sukhois, F16s, Rafale and Mirage-2000-5. Our pilots flew in these cockpits and has gained tremendous learning experience. The engineers, technicians and all other members of the team have also benefitted substantially from the exercise.

    The intensity of the Ex has been increased gradually to enhance the understanding of the contingent members begining with basic One-Vs-One missions and limited BVR capabilities, and then progressing to multi-aircraft strikes and counter air missions with complete BVR capability, and concluding with Large Force Engagement sorties.

    The IAF contingent is expected to return back to India by 03 Jul 10.
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    From the well-informed Avia News:

    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale for Switzerland, the Dassault program [/SIZE]
    Avia News , June 23[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    The industrial partnership:

    The industrials of the consortium Rafale International - consisting of Dassault Aviation, Snecma (Safran Group) and Thales - MBDA and their subcontractors are able to offer to Switzerland an industrial and scientific cooperation for the benefit of all cantons [counties] . The offer is affecting the whole range of suppliers ie: the military with the Rafale, but also the civilian sector which includes programs for Falcon business jets, civilian engines CFM56 and avionics for Aircraft and helicopters.

    Some elements of the Rafale are already built in Switzerland (cockpit windows, fuel tank and more recently additional elements of the radar Thales RBE2).

    The offer includes the outsourcing of many structural components, final assembly and maintenance in Switzerland for all of the Rafale program and also research and development. The manufacture of weapons ( MICA missiles) is proposed and also the development of the helmet-mounted sight GERFAUT, are also concerned systems such as the system of self-protection SPECTRA and FSO.

    France assures to Switzerland the access to all technologies used in the aircraft including development tools, source code and the most sensitive data.

    Optimized for Switzerland:

    According to Dassault, the Rafale is the aircraft best suited to our country, because as a neighbor collaboration with both military and industry are promoted. In addition, the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland fulfilled 95% of the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

    * Flight capability in "supercruise" mode.
    * Short take-off distance.
    * Prolonged range and capacity allowing long surveillance missions.
    * Fast implementation including by soldiers of militia.
    * Easy integration into structures already built.

    Multisensor system proposed:

    The proposed version of the Rafale for our country is the most recent available, the standard F3+ (sometimes identified F4) This version is not yet in service, but was ordered by the Air Force and Navy end-December 2009 for 60 copies. The aircraft features:

    * AESA radar Thales RBE-2AA.
    * System autoprotection SPECTRA.
    * New generation FSO (Front Sector Optronic).
    * Last generation link 16 (MIDS).
    * NCW Data fusion system (Net Centric Warfare).

    In terms of propulsion, it is not excluded that a more powerful version of SNECMA M-88 will be available (to be confirmed).

    Cooperation for military training:

    Switzerland is already training regularly with the French Air Force (air refueling and EPERVIER exercice) in the case of acquisition of the Rafale by our country, our pilots would also have flight simulators as well as several sectors of flight training inside the French territory. Moreover, the air base 113 Saint-Dizier would be open to our pilots.

    Comments:

    Although not a favorite in early trials, the F3 + version has demonstrated its excellent capabilities and has perfectly fulfilled the specifications. In addition, Dassault people were able to conduct a remarkable campaign both on technical and interpersonal ground. The Rafale has today many assets that could very well help it to win the Swiss market!
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    [FONT=arial][SIZE=5]PHOTO: Rafale defeats F-22?

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    the Dew Line , June 23 [/FONT][/CENTER]
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    My favorite French magazine Air & Cosmos published last week a photo obtained from the French Air Force showing a Lockheed Martin F-22 in the target sights of a Dassault Rafale. The apparent intercept took place during the exercises at Al Dhafra AB, UAE, in November and December, Air & Cosmos' Guillaume Steuer reports.

    In late December, the French Ministry of Defense boasted one kill in six engagements versus the F-22 in aerial combat. In turn, US Air Force F-22 pilots, however, told the media that their aircraft was undefeated during the exercise.

    It's impossible to make any sensible judgments from a single photo of an alleged air-to-air engagement, but this is certainly a significant image to appear in the history of both fighter programs.

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    No the rafale didn't defeat the F22, if Air@Cosmos is Stephen trimble 's favorite French magazine , he should read it
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5016188

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The successor of the Tiger combat aircraft will be chosen in autumn [/SIZE]
    La Tribune de Geneve , June 24[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    The Federal Council has conducted a preliminary discussion about the replacement of the Tiger combat aircraft Several alternatives have been studied.A final decision will fall in autumn.

    The Minister of Defence Ueli Maurer also said it will be the same about the report on the military The final version will not be known until after the summer holidays. This document should clarify the mandate of the military, including when, how and under what conditions and with what means it can be initiated. It will also establish a list of deficiencies, said Federal Councillor.

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    Technical choice done, not the deal ... but very interesting and informative.

    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Defense choose the Rafale and final decision will belong to the president [/SIZE]
    Administratores.com.br, June 23[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    After so many speculations, the Ministry of the Defense decided to choose the fighter Rafale, of French fabrication, to integrate the Brazilian Air Defense.

    The decision was taken based only in technical questions.

    President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva must call the Council of National Defense to discuss the subject.
    An exhibition of reasons, containing nearly 40 pages, that will be signed by the Minister of the Defense, Nelson Jobim, and the commanders of the Air Force, Brigadier Juniti Saito, and of the Navy, Admiral Moura Neto, confirm the choice.The document is divided between the positive and the negative points of each one of the three finalist airplanes – Rafale (Dassault), Gripen NG (Saab) and F-18 (Boeing).Each paragraph refers to documents prepared by the Air Force and by the Navy.The Navy was consulted aiming at the 50 [k?] tons aircraft carriers that will be incorporated in the future.
    Also the participation of the Embraer was secured in all the stages of the project.Besides, the enterprise negotiates with France the development and sale of the military freighter KC-390.

    In December of last year, the Air Force delivered a report that would put the F-18 as winner and not the Gripen, as it was speculated.The FAB was told, by Nelson Jobim, to remake the document to adapt the punctuation to the National Strategy of Defense (END).The FAB would have used the same criteria of the FX1, which was canceled in the beginning of Lula´s first mandate, in 2003. At that time, the cost of maintenance, the unit price of the airplane and the packet of commercial compensations were the more punctuating items.This time, the technology transfer valued 40 of 100 points. In the end of the Fernando Henrique Cardoso government, it was valuing only 9 points in 100.

    The Gripen NG had the best evaluation referring to the technology transfer, but it lost many points in other items and was considered a project of high risk.In practice, the Swedish airplane only had good evaluation in the beginning of the process.
    The Rafale, otherwise, was only worse in the price query.The hour-flight of the Gripen is calculated between US$ 7,000 and US$ 8,000. Saab promised that it would be around of US$ 3,000.
    With the decision confirmed, the Saab will be in a nice fix, since the Gripen NG is the only project of the enterprise together with the modernization of the versions C and D of the same airplane.Sweden itself didn´t acquire the airplane and will only make the aircraft if the business with Brazil goes out.
    The Rafale already has more than 100 delivered unities and another 180 orders.The model is well evaluated in the United Arab Emirates and in Switzerland.The F-18 Super Hornet, Boeing’s airplane, is well quoted in India.

    Analysis of the news
    Marcelo Rech

    The fact of the Ministry of the Defense of having opted for the Rafale doesn´t mean that the process is ended or that it will be confirmed by President Lula
    There is an election in the near horizon and wouldn´t be any surprise if the decision was left for the next administration.
    The choice was technical and in spite of the French airplane to be the most expensive between the three finalists, the government believes to be able to compensate it in the context of the strategic alliance with France.
    Embraer also wins, and very much.If the Gripen was elected, Embraer hardly would participate of the project. With the Rafale, it will be leading the process.
    The enterprise also involves the development and the commercialization of the freighter KC-390 in the business.
    The United States couldn’t, legally, make a deal of purchase of the Super Tucano in exchange for the sale of the F-18, as it was speculated recently.

    Jobim asked changes because he does not accept the purchase of a “ready-made” airplane, as he said several times in public audiences carried out in the Congress.
    He wants the industrialization of the Defense and the domain of the technology by Brazil.And he believes that it will be possible with the election of the Rafale.

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    http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/in...ra_notimpol#72
    http://www.inforel.org/
    http://www.administradores.com.br/in...sidente/45865/
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]French air force to bring Rafale jets to India [/SIZE]
    Zenews.com ; June 24[/CENTER]

    New Delhi: The French Air Force is planning to bring its state-of-the-art Rafale fighter jets to India for a bilateral air exercise next year.

    French Air Force officers had discussed the idea with the Indian Air Force team, which is currently in France for a tri-lateral air exercise in which the Singapore air force too is a part.
    "At present, the talks for the next Indo-French exercise are also on and the French officials have expressed their desire to bring the Rafale aircraft for the next joint air exercise likely to be held in 2011-12 in India," an IAF officer, who is part of the Indian continent for Garuda-2010 exercise in Istres air base in France, said today.
    The current exercise also entered its final phase with over 60 missions having been successfully flown in the last one week. The present Garuda exercise will conclude tomorrow.
    During the exercise, IAF's six potent Su-30MKI fighter aircraft along with the French fighter jets Mirage-2000-5 and Rafale engaged in various air defence manoeuvres alongside the Singaporean Air Force's F-16 planes.
    Among the manoeuvres practised were implementation of 'no fly zones' and large force engagements during day and night. The Su-30s also took part in a high value air-borne asset protection as well as protection busting missions.
    The IL-78 refuellers of the IAF and the KC-135 refuellers of the French Air Force also participated in various missions carrying out refuelling of fighters of other air forces.
    Refuelling denials were practised, making these missions more difficult, a press release issued by IAF here said.
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    http://www.zeenews.com/news636358.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post


    From the well-informed Avia News:

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    [FONT=arial]Optimized for Switzerland:

    According to Dassault, the Rafale is the aircraft best suited to our country, because as a neighbor collaboration with both military and industry are promoted. In addition, the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland fulfilled 95% of the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

    * Flight capability in "supercruise" mode.
    * Short take-off distance.
    * Prolonged range and capacity allowing long surveillance missions.
    * Fast implementation including by soldiers of militia.
    * Easy integration into structures already built. [/FONT]

    http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/...-dassault.html
    So is Supercruise official now for the Rafale, or is this an estimated capability with the higher thrust engine?

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    Technical choice done, not the deal ... but very interesting and informative.

    [FONT=arial]The Rafale, otherwise, was only worse in the price query.The hour-flight of the Gripen is calculated between US$ 7,000 and US$ 8,000. Saab promised that it would be around of US$ 3,000.[/FONT]

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    http://www.fab.mil.br/portal/capa/in...ra_notimpol#72
    http://www.inforel.org/
    http://www.administradores.com.br/in...sidente/45865/

    Would be interesting to know what the final costs for flight hour from Rafale and F18SH was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius
    The hour-flight of the Gripen is calculated between US$ 7,000 and US$ 8,000. Saab promised that it would be around of US$ 3,000.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sancho78 View Post
    Would be interesting to know what the final costs for flight hour from Rafale and F18SH was.
    Ludicrous. Pure politicized BS. Gripen has been in use for more than 10 years and is exported to 4 different countries. They are more than welcome to check the actual costs with any and all users. I'm sure Saab would be willing to provide a price guarantee as well.

    What it comes down is that the Brazilian President made his choice public almost a year ago. Anything happening after that has been about manouvering the Rafale deal into the right position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sancho78 View Post
    Would be interesting to know what the final costs for flight hour from Rafale and F18SH was.
    11000 $ for F18 and 14000 $ for Rafale according to leaks reported in Istoe last year.

    About the supercruise , its a Rafale International Switzerland's claim coming after the completion of the evaluation, so we can conclude :
    1) It is official.
    2) This has been verified by Armasuisse.
    Now with which engine ? the M88-2 ? they said they have tested a Rafale F3+, we know that 1 of the 2 Rafale evaluated in 2008 was equipped with an RBE-2 AESA radar but at that time the new M88-E4 (ex TCO pack) was obviously not available. On the other side , Avia news also reported that Armasuisse went in different countries to check some capacities that were not yet implemented in 2008 (especially for the Gripen E/F) ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breerman View Post
    Ludicrous. Pure politicized BS. blah blah
    this is a topic about news , if you don't like the news and want to open a pissing contest or claims that ze Gripen is ze best plane of ze world , do it elsewhere ,thanxs.

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]French Rafale jets for 2011 wargames [/SIZE]
    Times of India - June 24[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    NEW DELHI: The French Air Force may field its latest Rafale fighters for an Indo-French military exercise in India next year. The Rafale's presence in such a setting would come at a time when competition for IAF's mammoth MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) contract, in which the French fighter is participating, would enter the final lap.


    An Air Force officer said talks are underway for the next Indo-French exercise, and French officials have "expressed their desire to bring the state-of-the-art Rafale aircraft for the next Indo-French air exercise" to beheld in India.
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