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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    Great post, but wasn't there more about the exercise in Corsica that arthuro mentioned?

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    French and Bristish staff , Solenzara 2009[/CENTER]

    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Enemy Brothers [/SIZE]
    Air&Cosmos - June 2010[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    Since birth, both were scheduled to compete. The wrestling (commercial) which has now engaged the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale on the international scene has its roots in the early 80s, while Europe is seriously considering a joint development of a new multinational European fighter aircraft. France, United Kingdom and Germany are the main actors in a drama that will last many years. These last two countries, which have already collaborated in the Panavia consortium for the development of the Tornado are looking to replace a portion of their tactical fleet. For its part, France is trying, too, to have a fighter that can replace almost all of its combat aircraft. But from the beginning, the situation appears complex, whereas the English call for an air superiority aircraft class 11-12 tonnes, Paris argues for a device of only 9 tons. Moreover, the problems of industrial shares weigh down the prospects of cooperation including France, whose aeronautical companies ardently defend their plans to support the maintenance of their skills. In 1985, France announced it will develop alone its future combat aircraft. For their part, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Spain will start the Eurofighter program. While France wants to start building a really multirole aircraft, the nations in the Eurofighter consortium finance the development of a superiority aircraft, designed for air to air combat. To date yet, the 'Typhoon has only very limited air-ground capabilities compared with the Rafale.

    More thrust for the Typhoon

    On paper, the Typhoon has some undeniable advantages: more powerful than M88, its two reactors give it a better weight/thrust than the Rafale. According to the Eurofighter pilots, this additional power would be particularly appreciable during simulated combat below 20,000 ft, where the density of air allows the engines to be fully expressed. In the battle beyond visual range (BVR), the Typhoon also has an greater "extension" than the Rafale. This is because of the the physical characteristics of the radar, which antenna "sees" futher than the RBE2-PESA, but also because of the dynamic performance of the American missile AIM-120 AMRAAM . Designed exclusively for medium-range interception, it certainly does not have the versatility of the Mica, but it is superior in terms of range. Facing a Rafale, these theoretical advantages, however, must be nuanced.
    In BVR combat, although the lengthening of the radar and missiles of the Typhoon are superior, the french Rafale fighter's radar signature is, according to many pilots, much less important than the Eurofighter's one. It is therefore an asset. Even better: the sensors fusion which enjoys the Rafale is also a crucial advantage in BVR combat, because it offers the pilots a much better understanding of the tactical situation during combat, and this, 360 degrees around the aircraft.
    Once the "merge" is reached (when BVR combat turns into short-range), the Rafale has still strong chances of victory against the Typhoon. In the opinion of French pilots who have confronted the European aircraft, it's above all the quality of the electric flight controls [FBW] of the French fighter who makes the difference. In dogfight, Rafale can quickly point its nose to the threat, while less degrading its energy than the Eurofighter does. And this partly because the maximum angle of attack of the Rafale is "clamped" around 300, which allows it to evolve in a controlled manner even at low speed.
    This difference in terms of maneuverability is also illustrated by the position of the canard on the two planes: placed well in front of the fuselage on the Typhoon, they play the role of an additional control surface used to "steer" more quickly the nose of the plane to take the incidence.
    Conversely, the Rafale ducks are located very near the delta wing and are used primarily to pick up the airflow to slow up the loss of lift on the wing, thus giving the pilot a full control of the aircraft at low speeds.

    A first indisputable skirmish

    The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica .
    Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.

    Nine wins, one defeat

    This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale.[*******Red] In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter[/COLOR]. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.
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    A typhoon in trouble

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    Thx! Btw, great pics of the GARUDA 2010 exercise, but when will the Rafale arrive?

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    Don't know, probably the second week

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    Thank you very much Olybrius !

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    Pics of the day (click for full size):










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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale for the Sao Paulo aircraft carrier ? [/SIZE]
    Istoe n° 2119 (Plano Brasil) - June 21[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    For those who no longer believed in the announcement of the results of the F-X2 program, here is some information: the final report was sent to the command of the Air Force and the Navy. Being evaluated , the possibility of using the French Rafale with the Sao Paulo aircraft carrier.
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    Rafale onboard the Foch (now Sao Paulo) in 1994:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post


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    Several Brazilians I know in other foruns seem very confident that Rafale is 100% Choosen at least for tha FAB

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    Garuda 2010, still no Rafale but :







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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Ex Garuda Enters its Final Phase
    Air Marshal KK Nowhar Visits IAF Contingent
    over 60 Missions Sucessfully Flown by the IAF
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    Indian Ministry of Defence, June 23[/CENTER]

    The exercise Garuda 2010, presently underway at Istres Air Base in France, between the air forces of India France and Singapore has entered its final phase today. Over 60 missions have been successfully flown and the exercise would conclude on 25 Jun 2010.

    During the exrecise, the six IAF SU-30MKI along with the Mirage-2000-5 and Rafale and the F-16 were engaged in various air defence manouvres such as implementation of "no fly zones" and large force engagements during day and night. The SU-30 also took part in the high value air borne asset protection as well as their protection busting missions. The IL-78 refuellers of the IAF and the KC-135 refuellers of the French Air Force also participated in various missions carrying out cross refuelling (i,e, refuelling the fighters of the other air forces). Refuelling denials were practised making these missions more difficult.

    A unique feature to which the SU-30 were subjected was the "swing roles". In this type of missions, the same aircraft is simultaneously put to offensive as well as defensive roles. The E-3 AWACS provided the radar coverage during the Ex. The IAF special forces team "Gurad" have so far carried out two jumps each by day and night along with the French special forces. Our IL-76 is undertaking the task of these drops.

    Air Mshl KK Nowhar of the IAF who visited the contingent involved in the Garuda-2010 said - " Our participation in the Ex has reinforced the manner in which we conduct our operations. It has also helped us refine our doctrine. In future, there is a slim chance that a country would operate in isolation especially in a co-operative defence scenario. Thus knowing each others best practices in terms of tactics, techniques and procedures is the main objective of this exercise, which is also a part of the on-going Indo-French Defence Cooperation".

    According to Air Attache, Embassy of India, France, Air Cmde SK Ghotia who is also the chief coordinator of the IAF-FAF Cooperation, Garuda-2010 is a milestone in the Indo-French defence cooperation. This has been the widest scope ever accomplished between three nations. The Ex brought together the best fighting machines of the world such as the Sukhois, F16s, Rafale and Mirage-2000-5. Our pilots flew in these cockpits and has gained tremendous learning experience. The engineers, technicians and all other members of the team have also benefitted substantially from the exercise.

    The intensity of the Ex has been increased gradually to enhance the understanding of the contingent members begining with basic One-Vs-One missions and limited BVR capabilities, and then progressing to multi-aircraft strikes and counter air missions with complete BVR capability, and concluding with Large Force Engagement sorties.

    The IAF contingent is expected to return back to India by 03 Jul 10.
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    From the well-informed Avia News:

    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale for Switzerland, the Dassault program [/SIZE]
    Avia News , June 23[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    The industrial partnership:

    The industrials of the consortium Rafale International - consisting of Dassault Aviation, Snecma (Safran Group) and Thales - MBDA and their subcontractors are able to offer to Switzerland an industrial and scientific cooperation for the benefit of all cantons [counties] . The offer is affecting the whole range of suppliers ie: the military with the Rafale, but also the civilian sector which includes programs for Falcon business jets, civilian engines CFM56 and avionics for Aircraft and helicopters.

    Some elements of the Rafale are already built in Switzerland (cockpit windows, fuel tank and more recently additional elements of the radar Thales RBE2).

    The offer includes the outsourcing of many structural components, final assembly and maintenance in Switzerland for all of the Rafale program and also research and development. The manufacture of weapons ( MICA missiles) is proposed and also the development of the helmet-mounted sight GERFAUT, are also concerned systems such as the system of self-protection SPECTRA and FSO.

    France assures to Switzerland the access to all technologies used in the aircraft including development tools, source code and the most sensitive data.

    Optimized for Switzerland:

    According to Dassault, the Rafale is the aircraft best suited to our country, because as a neighbor collaboration with both military and industry are promoted. In addition, the latest version (F3 +) tested in Switzerland fulfilled 95% of the specifications and offers the following possibilities:

    * Flight capability in "supercruise" mode.
    * Short take-off distance.
    * Prolonged range and capacity allowing long surveillance missions.
    * Fast implementation including by soldiers of militia.
    * Easy integration into structures already built.

    Multisensor system proposed:

    The proposed version of the Rafale for our country is the most recent available, the standard F3+ (sometimes identified F4) This version is not yet in service, but was ordered by the Air Force and Navy end-December 2009 for 60 copies. The aircraft features:

    * AESA radar Thales RBE-2AA.
    * System autoprotection SPECTRA.
    * New generation FSO (Front Sector Optronic).
    * Last generation link 16 (MIDS).
    * NCW Data fusion system (Net Centric Warfare).

    In terms of propulsion, it is not excluded that a more powerful version of SNECMA M-88 will be available (to be confirmed).

    Cooperation for military training:

    Switzerland is already training regularly with the French Air Force (air refueling and EPERVIER exercice) in the case of acquisition of the Rafale by our country, our pilots would also have flight simulators as well as several sectors of flight training inside the French territory. Moreover, the air base 113 Saint-Dizier would be open to our pilots.

    Comments:

    Although not a favorite in early trials, the F3 + version has demonstrated its excellent capabilities and has perfectly fulfilled the specifications. In addition, Dassault people were able to conduct a remarkable campaign both on technical and interpersonal ground. The Rafale has today many assets that could very well help it to win the Swiss market!
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    [FONT=arial][SIZE=5]PHOTO: Rafale defeats F-22?

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    the Dew Line , June 23 [/FONT][/CENTER]
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    My favorite French magazine Air & Cosmos published last week a photo obtained from the French Air Force showing a Lockheed Martin F-22 in the target sights of a Dassault Rafale. The apparent intercept took place during the exercises at Al Dhafra AB, UAE, in November and December, Air & Cosmos' Guillaume Steuer reports.

    In late December, the French Ministry of Defense boasted one kill in six engagements versus the F-22 in aerial combat. In turn, US Air Force F-22 pilots, however, told the media that their aircraft was undefeated during the exercise.

    It's impossible to make any sensible judgments from a single photo of an alleged air-to-air engagement, but this is certainly a significant image to appear in the history of both fighter programs.

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    No the rafale didn't defeat the F22, if Air@Cosmos is Stephen trimble 's favorite French magazine , he should read it
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5016188

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The successor of the Tiger combat aircraft will be chosen in autumn [/SIZE]
    La Tribune de Geneve , June 24[/FONT][/CENTER]
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    The Federal Council has conducted a preliminary discussion about the replacement of the Tiger combat aircraft Several alternatives have been studied.A final decision will fall in autumn.

    The Minister of Defence Ueli Maurer also said it will be the same about the report on the military The final version will not be known until after the summer holidays. This document should clarify the mandate of the military, including when, how and under what conditions and with what means it can be initiated. It will also establish a list of deficiencies, said Federal Councillor.

    [...]
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    http://www.tdg.ch/successeur-avion-c...mne-2010-06-24
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