I gave you an interview the 15th of november at Natal during the Cruzex V exercice.
I have made a lapse regarding one date and I would be very pleased if you could correct it in the interview. Concerning the radar AESA, starting from the end of 2013, all Rafale deliveries will be with the AESA Radar. 2017 is a wrong date.
Thank you for your comprehension.
GBA Dominique De Longvilliers
As l knew French fighters ( msytere and mirage series) were economic alternatives of US made jets for noncommunists countries.
i guess the usa are able to offer spare parts at cheaper prices than france due to mass production and to cannibalization from retired aircraft in their depot.
i heard that taiwan was on the verge of retiring the mirage2000 even if they were more capable than F-16 due to higher maintenance cost.
probably they are able to supply the greek A-7 with spare parts taken from mothballed aircraft.
Back to the Rafale subject.
This issue and the already high costs for Rafale are the most quoted arguments against the Rafale in MMRCA related discussions, because everybody expects similar high upgrade costs in future for Rafale too.
Now keep in mind that perhaps the Israeli offer was very interesting but in the end the IAF chose the Thales offer, so the Thales offer is probably better if costlier.
As for the Mig 29 upgrade, first if they changed the engine it's probably because it needed to be changed contrary to the Mirage one. Second only once both type, Mig 29 and Mirage 2000 had been upgraded, one can compare them and see what's best for the money. Lets not forget also that the upgrade includes some MICA missiles on the price, an expensive but terribly efficient missile, the nightmare for any opponent, even the french themselves don't know how to counter them when both the EM and IR variants are fired at the same time.
Now about Taiwan I'm glad the parts issue is solved, notably about there MICA, I hope Taiwan can keep them in good operational condition.
An interesting news about France and UAE relationships, even if its not directly linked to the Rafale:
The 13th DBLE (Demi-Brigade de Legion Etrangere), the FFL unit based in Djibouti, could definitively leave Djibouti for the french base in Abu Dhabi.
For the record:
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From:[CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The Rafale is back in Afghanistan [/SIZE]
Le Mamouth, Nov 26
The CDG aircraft carrier sent yesterday its first broadside of Rafale and Hawkeye operate over Afghanistan. This commitment in support of ISAF should last a little less than forty days.
RafaleNews reports Cne Romain's comment after meeting the French pilots who were at Cruzex:
More:[CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Brazilian pilots in love with the Rafale [/SIZE]
RafaleNews , Nov 26[/FONT][/CENTER]
Well at least, that what the french Rafale pilot Captain Romain is telling on his blog :
From now on, the Brazilians were able to fly on Rafale and their pilots are now, as every pilot who has tested the Rafale, merely in love of a fully omnirole and operational aircraft.
Btw Romain doesn't seem to give much credibility to the so-called Longvilliers interview published by a brazilian tabloid/blog
I just explained what the issue with the Mirage upgrade and possibly with Rafale is and it's not my personal opinion, but what was reported and often said in other forums.
That's what I told Olybrius too, the chances of Rafale in India depend on Dassault itself, because IAF loves French fighters anyway, but politically France gov can't compete with the US, so the industrial part of the deal (ToT, offsets, partnership?) will decide Rafales faith.
EF consortium for example is pushing really hard with a lot of PR these days and they offer a partnership to India and just like Boeing they aim to transfer the production of some parts for all EFs/F18SHs to India. All that was reported from Dassault so far, is that they aim on closer ties with India and want to go "beyond a buyer - seller relationship", whatever that means.
President Sarkozy is expected in India early dec and I guess Dassault will send some high officials too, at least to sign the Mirage upgrade contract, but imo this visit will decide about Rafale too.
Regarding the upgrade, AFAIK Israel offered radar, avionics, HMS and weapons(most likely Elta 2032 radar, Python V / Derby AAMs, Dash HMS...), but couldn't do other changes on the fighter itself, to extend it's life for another 10 to 15 years. That means even if the Israeli package was more cost-effective, or even better, India had to do major parts of the upgrade with Dassault/Thales anyway.
Perhaps you guys should open a new topic if you want to continue this debate
An old article already posted about the tranche 4 order was updated with interesting infos:
From:[CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]France’s DGA Awards Multi-year Contract [/SIZE]
In 2009, Dassault Aviation booked a single French military order worth 2.28 billion euros, company CEO Charles Edelstenne told reporters March 17, so it is easy to infer that is the value to Dassault of the 60 Rafales ordered in December.
This is not the total cost of the aircraft, however. Edelstenne noted that many of the aircraft's components and systems (engines, avionics, radar, ejection seat, etc.) are government-furnished equipment ordered from other suppliers (Snecma, Thales, etc.), an are paid separately by the customer.
The contract's value excludes value-added tax and weapons
So i wonder how are paid ,for exemple, the standard Rbe2 aesa which are delivered by Thales at low rate since August, when according to the production rate of the current "PESA" Rafale [93 (total delivered end 2010) + 11 (2011) + 11 (2012) + 5 (2013) = 120] , the first tranche 4 "AESA" Rafale should be delivered in june 2013.
Currently 3 rafale are fitted with pre-production AESA radar , one "Navy" Rafale M, one "Air Force" Rafale B and another Rafale at Dassault disposal for experimentation purpose, but it was a separate order.
In any case, it could mean that Dassault is contractually and technically already able to deliver an Aesa Rafale if needed .
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