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    Quote Originally Posted by arthuro View Post
    A different perspective of the forces behind the MMRCA competition :
    The Indian campaign is run by EADS and Germany though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    The Indian campaign is run by EADS and Germany though...
    From exact same article
    This British "expertise" is at least confirmed by the number, according to these same sources, the British BAE team (who works for the Typhoon, according to this peculiar situation reported above) would be "between 30 and 40" in India for this MMRCA market, while Dassault would have only one permanent delegate. In fact, the French seem strangely detached from the Indian perspective; Dassault seems absolutely focused on the UAE market (UAE) for the Rafale (60 copies), which is seen as a tremendous opportunity to develop various technology trends and pave the way for Revision Rafale improved in cooperation with the UAE.

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    I am not saying taking this article as god word but the fact that EADS run the commercial offer doesn't mean that BAE personnel could not help. Especially knowing that they have a good knowledge of indian institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius;5667457- According to Avia News , the last Dassault offer in Switzerland was 22 Rafale (version 3F-04T) for [B
    $ 4.5 billion francs[/B]. Eurofighter (version DA7 +) offered 18 Typhoon for 5.8 billions francs.
    Dat's short money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    From exact same article
    Its not true though...
    Thats what I'm saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    Interesting, kinda confirms the rumors
    Yes indeed and as I expected, we might see Brimstone on Rafale before EF will get it (if at all). Just shows again that France and it's forces are putting way more effort on upgrading the Rafale to it's full potential than the EF partners does. Btw, are there any reliable figures of the costs for Brimstone and just for comparision AASM 125? And how far is the development of the guided rocket pod that would be a good addition for CAS as well? I hope that we will hear more about new weapons and upgrades during the Paris airshow (will you be there as well?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    The Indian campaign is run by EADS and Germany though...
    Which doesn't mean that they would be free from [*******black]influence, or corruption accusations. During the EJ 200 engine deal for LCA Tejas, an EADS consultancy partner was caught to bribe Indian officials to get more infos about the US offer and was asked to leave India and return to Germany. But generally all companies in this defence field will do it of course, because these deals brings a lot of money, so anybody will try to influence things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sancho78 View Post
    Which doesn't mean that they would be free from [*******black]influence, or corruption accusations. [/COLOR]
    [*******black]
    Just means that the article is at least rubbish..

    During the EJ 200 engine deal for LCA Tejas, an EADS consultancy partner was caught to bribe Indian officials to get more infos about the US offer and was asked to leave India and return to Germany.
    [/COLOR]Never heard about that, got a source? Especially as EADS does not manufacture the EJ200.....

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    new outboard pylons opening/validation has started ? or is this just a display for Paris air show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the German View Post
    Never heard about that, got a source? Especially as EADS does not manufacture the EJ200.....
    That's why I didn't said something like that, but that an German consultant (of EADS and Eurojet o be more precise) was trying to influence things as well. Here is one of the reports about it:

    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Sec...3701288349520/

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    Some more interesting news from India:

    Commercial bids for fighter plane contract to be opened next week

    New Delhi: Commercial bids for India’s $10.5-billion order for 126 fighter planes are expected to be opened next week, highly placed sourced told FE. There are two finalists in the race for the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender, often described as the mother of all defence deals: Eurofighter Typhoon from Europe’s EADS-led consortium and Rafale from Dassault Aviation of France.

    The opening of the commercial bids would lift the suspense on the lowest bidder, paving the way for commercial negotiations. Defence officials from France and Germany are currently touring India to promote their offerings, leaving no stone unturned to swing the deal in their favour.

    [*******red][*******black]Indian Air Force (IAF) officials are believed to be rooting for the Rafale, which could come across as the lowest bidder owing to its low lifecycle cost.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]However, Eurofighter’s offer to set up a production line in India could give it some leverage...
    http://www.financialexpress.com/news...-week/796339/0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xav View Post
    new outboard pylons opening/validation has started ? or is this just a display for Paris air show?
    Isn't that also the config the UAE wanted? So it might have something to do with the visit of the crown prince and the rumors that they agreed on the new capabilities.

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    Nevermind, it is from Bourget 2009

    Freakin tricksters!

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]A Rafale shot (at least) 17 AASM[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Le Mamouth, May 30
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    New illustration of the commitment of Air Force's Rafale in Libya: One of the fighters shot alone 17 AASM, in several missions of course. Several simultaneous shots also occurred since March 19, each fighter using their load of AASM (four or six, depending on the period). Coordinated attacks on fixed targets (depots, bases, etc.) involving salvo of AASM also took place.
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    Google translated from:
    http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2011/0...s-17-aasm.html

    Book excerpts (in French): Captain Roman tells the first operational AASM use in Afghanistan
    http://www.aviation-publications.com...avril-2008.pdf

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]On board the pride of the French navy[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]BBC News , may 27
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    The French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is operating off the Libyan coast as part of the Nato operation against Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime. The BBC got exclusive access on board the pride of the French navy.

    It is the aircraft carrier Britain no longer has. The Charles de Gaulle is not just the French Navy's flagship. It is a projection of the nation's power that can be deployed almost anywhere in the world.We joined the nuclear powered carrier off Libya's coast. This is where the Charles de Gaulle has been conducting military operations for the past two months. Launching an endless stream of warplanes loaded with bombs by day and by night. A giant floating runway within easy reach of Colonel Gaddafi's forces.Her location always shifting according to the weather and the targets. The ship can move as much as 1,000km over a 24 hour period.

    On board, the first thing that hits you is the noise.The sudden roar of jet engines is followed by the thud of a steam catapult as planes are propelled from zero to 250 kilometres an hour in a few seconds.On deck it is deafening and the sheer force of the catapult launch shakes the entire structure of the 40,000 tonne warship. Below decks, in two massive hangars aircrew maintain a fleet of 10 Rafale jets and six older Super Etendards around the clock.The carrier also has two Hawkeye surveillance planes - the eyes and ears for French and other Nato warplanes flying over Libya.Their giant wings are only unfolded when they prepare to fly.There is also a fleet of helicopters to ferry crew, commanders and cargo.At times it is hard to see how this can all fit onto one ship just over 260 metres long.Planes are moved up onto the deck by two giant hydraulic lifts. Ground crew swarm around the jets as they are loaded with bombs and fuel.

    After an elaborate set of hand movements by the marshals, the signal is given for the plane to launch. The pilot pushes his head back in the seat in preparation for the sudden impact.For these French pilots the great advantage of flying off a carrier is that they will be over their targets within 20 minutes.One of the pilots, Louis, says it is easier to react to developments on the ground.British pilots flying from their temporary base in southern Italy have a much longer journey.
    Even harder than taking off from a carrier is the landing.Pilots have just seconds to get their position right to catch one of three giant steel cables that lie across the deck with the hook lowered from the plane.It will bring them to a jolting halt. When you consider the strains and forces at play it is hard to understand how the ship, plane and human body all come out in one piece.

    France is currently the only European country to have this capability.The United States, of course, has even larger carriers with catapults and traps, but so far it has deployed none for operations over Libya.
    Until last year Britain had the Ark Royal with its fleet of Harrier jump jets.But the Ark Royal was one of the big casualties of the UK Defence Review. Though Britain has ordered two new carriers, they will not be in service for a decade.
    The Charles de Gaulle's Captain Jean-Philippe Rolland says it will be "difficult" for the Royal Navy to regenerate the capability.France has promised to help train British crews, but he warns it could take another five or ten years after the carriers are built for Britain to fully regain those lost skills.Trafalgar and Nelson seems a distant memory. France's naval presence off Libya is bigger than that of the Royal Navy. Where the Charles de Gaulle is accompanied by three destroyers, a supply ship and a nuclear-powered submarine, Britain has one destroyer, a submarine and a minehunter.
    Capt Rolland says for this operation Nato would ideally have two or three carriers.But with a gallic shrug he adds: "You do with what you have".In a sign that Nato's stepping up the offensive both Britain and France should soon each have an assault ship carrying ground attack helicopters close by.

    Fresh croissants

    When I ask the commander of the task force whether this marks a new phase of the campaign he says it is still to be decided.But Rear-Admiral Philippe Coindreau says "all possibilities" are being considered - apart from putting troops on the ground.For the 2,000 crew on board the Charles de Gaulle it has been a long time at sea.The ship had only just returned home to Toulon from a four-month mission in the Arabian Gulf, when she was redeployed at short notice to take part in operations over Libya.Morale is maintained by sackfuls of letters from back home, along with plenty of French food.The ship even has its own bakery on board, serving fresh croissants and baguettes each morning.
    In the junior officers mess there is wine with the evening meal, though pilots have to ensure that there is a gap of 12 hours from "bottle to throttle".
    No one on board knows when they will be coming home.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13573848

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