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    Quote Originally Posted by vWarWolfv View Post
    Nop, it's 150000 euros per bomb. 400000 $ is the price with development costs.
    So the French paid 400.000 per bomb dropped, didn't they?

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Saving Benghazi[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Combat Aircraft magazine; Vol 12 n°6
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    [/FONT][CENTER][FONT=arial] The leading role played by the French AF fast jets in the leading stage of the Lybia operation was daring and impressive[/FONT]
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    In November 1, 1911, an aircraft carried out an air raid for the first time in history. It took place during the ltalo-Turkish war, and the type was a French-built Bleriot XI flown by Italian military pilot 2nd Lt Guilio Guidotti who threw Cipelli Fragmentation grenades at troops occupying the Taguira and Ain Zara oases, east of Tripoli in what was then Tripolitania, now Libya. Fast forward 100 years to 2011, an air power was again bein deployed 'in anger' over Libya, albeit in rather more potent form — this time with France's "Armee de l'Air" leading the way.

    As early as March 4, 2011, with the situation in Libya deteriorating, French military aircraft began to carry out surveillance and electronic warfare missions over the Mediterranean, alongside those of the US and UK. The aim, of course, was to build up intelligence relating to Libya's electronic order of battle and tap into its communications. After the Paris meeting organized by French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Saturday March 19, the other major members of the coalition being built up to impose a no-fly zone, British Prime Minister David Cameron and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, agreed to take part in the imposition of UN Resolution 1973. Much to the surprise of many observers, the participants in the summit had hardly left the Elysee Palace when French aircraft went into action.

    Three sections of Rafale F3s from Base Aérienne (BA) 113 Saint-Dizier belonging to Escadron de Chasse 1/7 'Provence' took off from their home base at around 11.00hrs. The first four-ship consisted of single-seat aircraft in air defense configuration, each equipped with six MICA missiles — four MICA EMs and two MICA IRs — as well as three 1,250-liter drop tanks. Six minutes later they were followed by another two Rafales equipped with the Reco NG reconnaissance pod, while in the early afternoon a further two-aircraft section comprised one jet in close air support configuration toting four AASM (Armement Air-Sol Modulaire) inertial and CPS-guided modular bombs, four MICAS (again of EM and IR types) and two 2,000-liter drop tanks, with its wingman providing air defense cover in commbat air patrol fit.
    At 15.00hrs that same day, two Mirage 2000Ds operated by EC 3/3 'Ardennes' at BA 133 Nancy-Ochey got airborne, armed with GBU-12 Paveway II and GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II laser-guided bombs. They soon joined up with a pair of MICA- armed Mirage 2000-5F air superiority Fighters of EC 1/2 'Cigognes' which had departed BA102 Dijon. Naturally, an E-3F -AWACS from BA701 Avord an, for maritime patrol and ELINT duties, an Aeronavale Atlantique ATL2 were already on patrol, while six C-135FR tankers belonging to Groupe de Ravitaillement en Vol (GRV) 93 'Bretagne' had taken off from BA 125 lstres in support of the French fast jet assets.
    The first mission over Libyan territory as a long and, given the circumstances, Wiring one. The Rafales engaged in setting up the CAP maintained a 60 x 40nm air superiority zone under the control of the orbiting E-3F, while their CAS counterparts opened fire on and destroyed four Libyan government tanks which were about to enter the rebel-held Benghazi area. Close surveillance of the locality was carried out by the two Rafales with the Reco NG pods, the imagery from which was downloaded during their flight back to Saint-Dizier. These valuable images were to be shown as soon as possible to the highest government authorities. After a sortie lasting more than six hours, all aircraft involved returned safely to their home bases.

    Meanwhile, two anti-aircraft and air defense frigates of the Marine Nationale, the Jean-Bart and Forbin, were patrolling off the Libyan coast. These ships would, as reported elsewhere, soon be joined by the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier and its escort and protection ships, the Aconit and Dupleix frigates, as well as the fleet refueling tanker Meuse and a nuclear attack submarine.
    A heavy logistical effort was necessary in parallel with France's combat operations. C-160 Transalls on the strength of ET 1/61 `Touraine' at BA 123 Orleans and ET 1/64 'Bearn' at BA105 Evreux carried the equipment required to detach Armee de l'Air combat aircraft to BA 126 Solenzara on the island of Corsica, regularly used as the host airfield for gunnery training exercise deployments. Solenzara thus began to act as another'aircraft carrier/ in the middle of the Mediterranean.
    The following days saw Armee de l'Air assets again assuming a leading position in what the French have called Operation 'Harmattan'. During the night between the fourth and fifth days of the commitment, Rafales fired SCALP EG cruise missiles for the first time at night as part of a 20-aircraft raid against a Libyan government base in the Tripoli area. And on March 24 came the notable incident when an on-station E-3F detected a Libyan Arab AF G-2 Galeb flying towards its base at Misrata, whereupon a section of Rafales was sent after it, leading to the Galeb being destroyed by an AASM as it was about to land. An aerial victory (nearly) obtained using an airto-ground weapon: quite a novelty!
    In answering a message of congratulation sent by an Armee de l'Air general, the station commander of BA113 Saint-Dizier, Col Michel Friesling, noted that operation 'Harmattan' had seen the air force fighting from its bases in the mother country and in Corsica for the first time since 1940. In the first instance, this had been made possible by the outstanding capabilities of the Rafale, brought to the fore in the fight against Gaddafi's regime.
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    Thanks for this report olybrius ! I must say I was missing your exellent posts on this thread recently

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthuro View Post
    Thanks for this report olybrius ! I must say I was missing your exellent posts on this thread recently
    I 2nd that! ! !

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    If France wanna save democracy all around the world, don't forget to sell some pieces of this great fighter to the Taiwan airforce. Otherwise you won t see a democratic China in a short time! Thanks for your help. ^^

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The committee on security policy wants to replace the Tiger immediately
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    [/FONT]Le Temps, May 21
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    Tiger fighter aircrafts should be replaced immediately. For the acquisition of 22 aircraft, the Committee on Security Policy of the Council of States calls on the Federal Council to release a budget of more than 5 billion francs, said ATS. The Committee also examined the profile of the future army. It emphasizes a workforce of 100,000 men at a cost of 5.1 billion francs a year, said Friday the Media Commission Chairman Bruno Frick (PDC / SZ). To reduce the shortcomings in the army now, the commission also asked the government special funding of up to 1.2 billion francs. She finally wants the Federal Council is committed to greater involvement of Switzerland in the architecture of European security.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/bbca..._tout_de_suite

    For the record:
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5512943
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...e-News/page119
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...e-News/page102
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...le-News/page99
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post4992554
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...le-News/page93

    - In Switzerland, the Parliament wants to buy new fighter jets but the Minister of Defense Ueli Maurer opposes it and would prefer to upgrade the Tiger.
    - According to Avia News , the last Dassault offer in Switzerland was 22 Rafale (version 3F-04T) for $ 4.5 billion francs. Eurofighter (version DA7 +) offered 18 Typhoon for 5.8 billions francs.

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Things Pink, French Defence Minister Hits Delhi Tomorrow[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Livefist , May 25
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    French defence minister Gérard Longuet (2nd from right, after a recent Rafale flight) is scheduled to meet Indian defence minister AK Antony and Chief of Air Staff PV Naik tomorrow in New Delhi. Things are pink. The French expect to land a $2.4-billion contract to upgrade the IAF's Mirage-2000 jets, and the country's Rafale has, as you no doubt know, made it to the final phase of the IAF's M-MRCA fighter competition. Just wondering if the Indian defence minister, who has a propensity to bring up arms sales to Pakistan (always with a knowing smile) with just about anyone who knocks on his door, will have a thing or two to say to Minister Longuet. Earlier this month, when Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani visited Paris, fresh from having Neptune's Spear thrust into his country, the French defence minister made an unscheduled call on the visiting dignitary. Meeting the French defence minister was not on Gilani's official agenda, and therefore the unofficial meeting was seen as France doing what the Indian government positively destests -- "doing it with both sides". Personally I think the Indian government places way too much on how other countries interact with Pakistan, but there it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    - According to Avia News , the last Dassault offer in Switzerland was 22 Rafale (version 3F-04T) for $ 4.5 billion francs. Eurofighter (version DA7 +) offered 18 Typhoon for 5.8 billions francs.
    Rafale= 204 million a piece, Typhoon = 322 million a piece.

    I find it hard to believe the difference is so huge, those numbers are either not comparable, or one (or both) of the numbers are wrong.

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    There won't be a replacement anyhow, so...

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]How does the Rafale and the Eurofighter have attracted Indians[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]L'Usine Nouvelle , May 25
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    The flight evaluations, which took place during the spring and summer of 2010, lasted over a month for each aircraft in the running. Everyone went in a single line, F/A 18 and F 16, Gripen, Rafale, Typhoon and finally Mig.

    Indian pilots have been busy! All configurations were tested: flight at high altitude, low altitude, desert environment, emergency landing, stop and restart the engines [...]
    Moreover the Indians fired weapons, missiles and cannon. They combed through the deployment capabilities of the aircrafts with their maintenance crews and mechanics, with for example the timing of an engine change.

    Any cancellation of a flight for technical reasons - and it can happen in this kind of evaluation - was taken into account. According to some sources, the Rafale and Typhoon have scored valuable points on such criteria. "A potential customer wants not only a super-efficient fighter, he also wants a reliable machine whose user cost is reasonable to at least 30 years ", says an expert.

    The aircrafts were also pitted against Indian MiG in simulated air combats. And for this to be possible, the Indian pilots had to train on simulators and real flights in each concerned country. Dassault has received them at Istres a soon as early 2009, more than a year before the assessments themselves. A real marathon!
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    February : BANGALORE (IN)
    May 15 : NTM CAMBRAI (FR)
    May 21/22 : GRENOBLE (FR)
    May 28/29 : MNA ROCHEFORT (FR)
    June 11/12 : LA FERTE ALAIS (FR)
    June 18/19 : MNA ST DIZIER (FR)
    June 20/26 : SIAE LE BOURGET (FR)
    July 2/3 : MNA LUXEUIL (FR)
    July 16/17 : RIAT FAIRFORD (UK)
    July 23 : ST CYPRIEN (FR)
    July 24 : LA ROCHE SUR YON (FR)
    August 14 : TOULON (FR)
    August 18/21 : MAKS MOSCOU (RU)
    September 17 : SION (CH)


    http://www.rafalesolodisplay.com/prog.php

    Captain Cedric "Rut" Ruet becoming coach , Captain Michael Brocard will be the new 2011 solo display pilot.


    http://www.rafalesolodisplay.com/team.php

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    Cambrai, May 2011

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale Ramps Up: In Squadrons and Capability[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Ares , may 26
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    The French navy next month expects to inaugurate its second operational unit, 11F, to be collocated with 12F at Landisvisiau near Brest.

    The move comes as the inventory of single-seat Dassault Aviation Rafale Ms is starting to grow.

    Meanwhile, combat operations continue to drive new efforts for the French military when it comes to Rafale. Soon to be launched is an upgrade of the Thales Damocles laser targeting pod to augment the infrared channel with a TV channel. The latter should improve the ability to target in urban environments – both will be downlinked to ground controllers using the Rover system.
    Deliberations in France also continue over the introduction of a low collateral damage weapon.

    Although French fighters have been dropping concrete bombs (using a Paveway III guidance kit) in Libya, military officials want a more effective system. One topic of discussion is the purchase of Dual-Mode Brimstones from MBDA, although program officials note a final decision has not been taken. The Rafale would likely feature a basic integration of the weapon to speed fielding.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]100th Rafale for September[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Aviation Week , May 26
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    The 100th Rafale, a single-seater, will be delivered in September to the French Air Force, three months after the second Rafale naval squadron (11F) is formed, as Robert blogged earlier. The first Rafale squadron, you may remember, was formed in 2004 since when the aircraft has been operationally deployed with the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier in 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010 and this year in the missions over Libya.

    The omnirole aircraft (as opposed to multirole, a distinction the French Air Force stresses because the Rafale can undertake several different missions in one sortie while a multirole aircraft can only undertake one mission per sortie) will be the F3 version of the aircraft which was first introduced in July 2008. The Rafale F-3 can carry the IR (infra-red) air-to-air Mica missile, the RF (radio-frequency) Mica, a gun which has air-to-air and air-to-ground capacities, the Scalp cruise missile, the GPS guided AASM “Hammer” air-to-ground munition, the IR AASM, the GBU-12 and 24 “Paveway” laser-guided air-to-ground munitions, the AM39 air-to-ground munition and the ASMP/A nuclear missile...not all at the same time, obviously, but it can still carry 14 tons under its wings, as much as the weight of the empty aircraft, more or less.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]India conveys its concern over weapon sales to Pakistan[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]The Hindu , may 26
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    India has conveyed to France its concern over sales of weapons to Pakistan in the name of fight against terror with Paris stating that there are enquires only for possible sale of communication interception equipment. New Delhi’s disquiet on this issue was communicated by Defence Minister A.K. Antony in his meeting with his French counterpart Gerard Longuet.
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    His visit also comes at a time when the French Dassault Rafale is tied in a competition with the European consortium Eurofighter for the 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft tender of the Indian Air Force.

    On his part, Mr. Longuet sought to impress that in the MMRCA deal, the French have a unique distinction. “We have one single speaking partner [Dassault] instead of four partners [European firms from Italy, Germany, Spain and U.K.]…” he said.

    The French Minister underscored that the French companies have a long association with the Indian defence industry and the loyal relationship is based on three points, one, that the equipment will always be available, two, there would no restrictions on its use, and third, as technology evolves, the equipment is upgrade[d].
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    Full article:
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle2053809.ece

    More:
    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/05...uests-for.html
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    Rafale C128 delivered this month:

    http://www.deltareflex.com/forum/vie...74b8&start=645

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