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    If France wanna save democracy all around the world, don't forget to sell some pieces of this great fighter to the Taiwan airforce. Otherwise you won t see a democratic China in a short time! Thanks for your help. ^^

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The committee on security policy wants to replace the Tiger immediately
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    [/FONT]Le Temps, May 21
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    Tiger fighter aircrafts should be replaced immediately. For the acquisition of 22 aircraft, the Committee on Security Policy of the Council of States calls on the Federal Council to release a budget of more than 5 billion francs, said ATS. The Committee also examined the profile of the future army. It emphasizes a workforce of 100,000 men at a cost of 5.1 billion francs a year, said Friday the Media Commission Chairman Bruno Frick (PDC / SZ). To reduce the shortcomings in the army now, the commission also asked the government special funding of up to 1.2 billion francs. She finally wants the Federal Council is committed to greater involvement of Switzerland in the architecture of European security.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/bbca..._tout_de_suite

    For the record:
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5512943
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...e-News/page119
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...e-News/page102
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...le-News/page99
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post4992554
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...le-News/page93

    - In Switzerland, the Parliament wants to buy new fighter jets but the Minister of Defense Ueli Maurer opposes it and would prefer to upgrade the Tiger.
    - According to Avia News , the last Dassault offer in Switzerland was 22 Rafale (version 3F-04T) for $ 4.5 billion francs. Eurofighter (version DA7 +) offered 18 Typhoon for 5.8 billions francs.

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Things Pink, French Defence Minister Hits Delhi Tomorrow[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Livefist , May 25
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    French defence minister Gérard Longuet (2nd from right, after a recent Rafale flight) is scheduled to meet Indian defence minister AK Antony and Chief of Air Staff PV Naik tomorrow in New Delhi. Things are pink. The French expect to land a $2.4-billion contract to upgrade the IAF's Mirage-2000 jets, and the country's Rafale has, as you no doubt know, made it to the final phase of the IAF's M-MRCA fighter competition. Just wondering if the Indian defence minister, who has a propensity to bring up arms sales to Pakistan (always with a knowing smile) with just about anyone who knocks on his door, will have a thing or two to say to Minister Longuet. Earlier this month, when Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani visited Paris, fresh from having Neptune's Spear thrust into his country, the French defence minister made an unscheduled call on the visiting dignitary. Meeting the French defence minister was not on Gilani's official agenda, and therefore the unofficial meeting was seen as France doing what the Indian government positively destests -- "doing it with both sides". Personally I think the Indian government places way too much on how other countries interact with Pakistan, but there it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    - According to Avia News , the last Dassault offer in Switzerland was 22 Rafale (version 3F-04T) for $ 4.5 billion francs. Eurofighter (version DA7 +) offered 18 Typhoon for 5.8 billions francs.
    Rafale= 204 million a piece, Typhoon = 322 million a piece.

    I find it hard to believe the difference is so huge, those numbers are either not comparable, or one (or both) of the numbers are wrong.

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    There won't be a replacement anyhow, so...

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]How does the Rafale and the Eurofighter have attracted Indians[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]L'Usine Nouvelle , May 25
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    The flight evaluations, which took place during the spring and summer of 2010, lasted over a month for each aircraft in the running. Everyone went in a single line, F/A 18 and F 16, Gripen, Rafale, Typhoon and finally Mig.

    Indian pilots have been busy! All configurations were tested: flight at high altitude, low altitude, desert environment, emergency landing, stop and restart the engines [...]
    Moreover the Indians fired weapons, missiles and cannon. They combed through the deployment capabilities of the aircrafts with their maintenance crews and mechanics, with for example the timing of an engine change.

    Any cancellation of a flight for technical reasons - and it can happen in this kind of evaluation - was taken into account. According to some sources, the Rafale and Typhoon have scored valuable points on such criteria. "A potential customer wants not only a super-efficient fighter, he also wants a reliable machine whose user cost is reasonable to at least 30 years ", says an expert.

    The aircrafts were also pitted against Indian MiG in simulated air combats. And for this to be possible, the Indian pilots had to train on simulators and real flights in each concerned country. Dassault has received them at Istres a soon as early 2009, more than a year before the assessments themselves. A real marathon!
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    http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article...ndiens.N152549
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    February : BANGALORE (IN)
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    Captain Cedric "Rut" Ruet becoming coach , Captain Michael Brocard will be the new 2011 solo display pilot.


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    Cambrai, May 2011

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale Ramps Up: In Squadrons and Capability[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Ares , may 26
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    The French navy next month expects to inaugurate its second operational unit, 11F, to be collocated with 12F at Landisvisiau near Brest.

    The move comes as the inventory of single-seat Dassault Aviation Rafale Ms is starting to grow.

    Meanwhile, combat operations continue to drive new efforts for the French military when it comes to Rafale. Soon to be launched is an upgrade of the Thales Damocles laser targeting pod to augment the infrared channel with a TV channel. The latter should improve the ability to target in urban environments – both will be downlinked to ground controllers using the Rover system.
    Deliberations in France also continue over the introduction of a low collateral damage weapon.

    Although French fighters have been dropping concrete bombs (using a Paveway III guidance kit) in Libya, military officials want a more effective system. One topic of discussion is the purchase of Dual-Mode Brimstones from MBDA, although program officials note a final decision has not been taken. The Rafale would likely feature a basic integration of the weapon to speed fielding.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]100th Rafale for September[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Aviation Week , May 26
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    The 100th Rafale, a single-seater, will be delivered in September to the French Air Force, three months after the second Rafale naval squadron (11F) is formed, as Robert blogged earlier. The first Rafale squadron, you may remember, was formed in 2004 since when the aircraft has been operationally deployed with the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier in 2004, 2006, 2007, 2010 and this year in the missions over Libya.

    The omnirole aircraft (as opposed to multirole, a distinction the French Air Force stresses because the Rafale can undertake several different missions in one sortie while a multirole aircraft can only undertake one mission per sortie) will be the F3 version of the aircraft which was first introduced in July 2008. The Rafale F-3 can carry the IR (infra-red) air-to-air Mica missile, the RF (radio-frequency) Mica, a gun which has air-to-air and air-to-ground capacities, the Scalp cruise missile, the GPS guided AASM “Hammer” air-to-ground munition, the IR AASM, the GBU-12 and 24 “Paveway” laser-guided air-to-ground munitions, the AM39 air-to-ground munition and the ASMP/A nuclear missile...not all at the same time, obviously, but it can still carry 14 tons under its wings, as much as the weight of the empty aircraft, more or less.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]India conveys its concern over weapon sales to Pakistan[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]The Hindu , may 26
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    India has conveyed to France its concern over sales of weapons to Pakistan in the name of fight against terror with Paris stating that there are enquires only for possible sale of communication interception equipment. New Delhi’s disquiet on this issue was communicated by Defence Minister A.K. Antony in his meeting with his French counterpart Gerard Longuet.
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    His visit also comes at a time when the French Dassault Rafale is tied in a competition with the European consortium Eurofighter for the 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft tender of the Indian Air Force.

    On his part, Mr. Longuet sought to impress that in the MMRCA deal, the French have a unique distinction. “We have one single speaking partner [Dassault] instead of four partners [European firms from Italy, Germany, Spain and U.K.]…” he said.

    The French Minister underscored that the French companies have a long association with the Indian defence industry and the loyal relationship is based on three points, one, that the equipment will always be available, two, there would no restrictions on its use, and third, as technology evolves, the equipment is upgrade[d].
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    Full article:
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle2053809.ece

    More:
    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/05...uests-for.html
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    Rafale C128 delivered this month:

    http://www.deltareflex.com/forum/vie...74b8&start=645

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    [FONT=arial][SIZE=5]100th Rafale for September[/SIZE][/FONT]
    BAE Warton also delivered the 100th Eurofighter just some days ago from the UK assembly line. Quite a coincident that two production-lines and their products have exactly the same output after all those years...
    Congrats to Dassault.

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    A different perspective of the forces behind the MMRCA competition :

    French industrial sources do confirm this perspective, the essential argument in this regard is that[*******red] "the British are infinitely more experienced than anyone in the identification of points of influence and corruption, or to corrupt bureaucrats in the [/COLOR][*******red]Indian bureaucracy to achieve a result. "[/COLOR] This "expertise" Britain is at least confirmed by the number, according to these same sources, the British BAE (who works for the Typhoon, according to this peculiar situation reported above) would be "between 30 and 40" in India, this MMRCA market, while Dassault would have a permanent delegate.
    http://www.dedefensa.org/article-l_i...05_2011.htmlbr

    other articles that might interest Olybrius and others :

    http://www.dedefensa.org/article-tou...1.html?admin=1

    http://www.dedefensa.org/article-le_...8_05_2011.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    Although French fighters have been dropping concrete bombs (using a Paveway III guidance kit) in Libya, military officials want a more effective system. One topic of discussion is the purchase of Dual-Mode Brimstones from MBDA, although program officials note a final decision has not been taken. The Rafale would likely feature a basic integration of the weapon to speed fielding.
    Interesting, kinda confirms the rumors

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthuro View Post
    A different perspective of the forces behind the MMRCA competition :
    The Indian campaign is run by EADS and Germany though...

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