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    Rafale on the cover of DTI-Aviation Week December 2011 :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slenke View Post
    Forgive me for asking but what will be improved with the OSF-IT?
    IT stends for Improved technology... and IIRC no more TV source, only IR with better resolution.

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    In fact, it's the contrary.

    OSF-IT is an improved TV with no IRST.

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    But what is that "bubble" next to the OSF-lens, the one that kind of looks like an IRST? Laser range finder?

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    Current OSF have got both the TV and the IRST. On OSF-IT, the current and obsolete IRST will be removed as no solution will be ready on time.

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Charles Edelstenne: the little secrets of the President of Dassault Aviation[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Capital, march 2010
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    [..]
    His childhood in Pigalle
    His father had a tailor shop for men, at 94, avenue Jean-Jaurès, Paris, near the Buttes-Chaumont. But Charles grew up with his sister Edith in the Pigalle of the night bars and postwar underworld . [...]

    His fortune in 3D

    It is his best financial blow. In 1981, Dassault Aviation engineers wanted to create software capable of modeling 3D planes to replace their drawing tables. Enthusiastic, Edelstenne then proposed to Marcel Dassault to invest 10 million francs (1.5 million euros) in the development of this software, the famous Catia, and to start a business for sale to the industry. Skeptical, the old boss told him, "So put your own money and I'll bring the rest." Edelstenne has put all his savings (1 million francs) in the start-up. Today, his stake in Dassault Systèmes is worth 320 million euros.
    [...]
    His legendary stinginess.
    Every penny counts. Throughout his life, this austère boss cut costs, reducing the expense of the commercial travellers, the hi-flying lifestyle of the test pilots or by removing "Betsy", the Falcon 20, which, twice in a day, was commuting Paris and the Istres flight test center (south of France). Last November [2009], he convinced Serge Dassauly to accompany him at the Dubai Airshow. Why ? like that , it was Serge dassault , using his own Falcon 7X, who paid for the journey, not the company. [...]

    His grudge.
    Do not call him "Edelstein", because he will take in a sudden dislike anyone who gives his name as German. Do not look down at him with superior smiles on the pretext he has only studied accounting: some Polytechnique students or armaments engineers get one's knuckles rapped for less. Charles Edelstenne is a spiteful person. He forbade his managers to have any contact with the reference magazine "Air & Cosmos," which criticized the first version of the Rafale when the group was negotiating with South Korea. The incident was five years ago, but the fatwa still stands.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.capital.fr/enquetes/homme...viation-489838
    A caricature to take with a grain of salt. The most likely Edelstenne's successor is Olivier Dassault.
    http://www.olivierdassault.fr/
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale: decision time approach in Switzerland[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]La Tribune , nov 27
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    Bern would make a decision late November or early December for the acquisition of 22 fighter planes, but a referendum could delay that schedule. Three manufacturers are on track to conquer the Swiss market: Dassault Aviation (Rafale), Saab (Gripen) and the Eurofighter consortium (Eurofighter Typhoon).

    The time of choice approach for Switzerland for the purchase of 22 combat aircraft (November 30 or December 7, according to the Swiss press) ... but the case could still suffer a further delay with the organization of a referendum. Unlike the federal Parliament and the Council, the Chief of Defence Staff André Blattman supports a referendum about the acquisition of the new combat aircraft.

    In an interview Sunday, November 20 in the Swiss weekly "SonntagsBlick", he said that a "vote of the people would give legitimacy to this decision. And so it would be important to have the people to decide" . He said "if we fail to persuade citizens, we are ourselves responsible." The Chief of Staff anticipates the decision of the Swiss Greens, who want the Swiss people decide on this purchase. If they do not get satisfaction, then they would launch an initiative for a moratorium with the help of other parties and associations, including the Group for a Switzerland without an Army. Which would block the process for months.

    It would be a new setback for competitors. For now, according to the defense minister, Ueli Maurer, the cheaper plane, the Swedish Gripen, would cost around 3 billion francs for 22 copies, against 4 billion for the other two aircraft, the Eurofighter and Rafale, according to the Swiss press. However, the French device would be the most efficient operationally and the preferred aircraft of the Swiss pilots. Also, Paris, to improve the French offer, will offer to the Swiss Air Force flying areas in France and French air bases ... If, of course, Berne chooses Rafale. But its price (150 million euros each) - despite a strong Swiss franc against the euro - could get the Swiss to move back.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...en-suisse.html
    Nothing new except about a possible announcement next week, La Tribune's main source is Le Temps:
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5888703

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    Google translated from:
    http://www.capital.fr/enquetes/homme...viation-489838
    A caricature to take with a grain of salt. The most likely Edelstenne's successor is Olivier Dassault.
    http://www.olivierdassault.fr/
    I was reading and verifying Olivier Dassault's biography, it is impressive:
    -Graduate of the French Air Force academy in Salon de Provence.
    -PhD in mathematics.
    -PhD in business computer system.
    -Elected deputy of the French National Assembly
    -Professional IFR pilot- only pilot in the world qualified on the full range of Falcon business jets
    -Administrator or manager in firms like Dassault Falcon Service, Dassault Communication , Valmonde, Socpresse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    I was reading and verify Olivier Dassault's biography, it is impressive:
    -Graduate of the French Air Force academy in Salon de Provence.
    -PhD in mathematics.
    -PhD in business computer system.
    -Elected deputy of the French National Assembly
    -Professional IFR pilot- only pilot in the world qualified on the full range of Falcon business jets
    -Administrator or manager in firms like Dassault Falcon Service, Dassault Communication , Valmonde, Socpresse...
    One question, does he sleep ? ever?

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    Decison time ...and more and more leaks in the Swiss press...
    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Gripen fighter jet with unsatisfying grades[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Basler Zeitung , Nov 27
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    Two Switzerland 's secret evaluation reports advise against purchasing the Swedish Gripen aircraft.

    [...]This is shown by two evaluation reports, the Air Force Commander Markus Gygax has signed. The first report was prepared in 2008, immediately after the completion of extensive flight and ground tests of the three candidates, Rafale, and Gripen and Eurofighter. The second report, dated from 2009 and still authoritative, includes the second evaluation phase . The goal of this second evaluation phase was to determine for each of the three aircraft the planned adjustments and improvements needed between the practical flight test phase in 2008 and the planned delivery in 2015.
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    According to the 2009 Evaluation Report, the airplane with the lowest price among the providers, namely the Swedish Saab Gripen, failed clearly ,. The report says: "The Rafale is the only aircraft that has met the requirements of the Air Force in all types of applications."
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    Google translated from:
    http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...story/10934828

    I didn't translate the full article which is mostly talking about the Gripen, if this leak is true, Armasuisse is very harsh with the Gripen ... but this is perhaps only one side of the story, Basler Zeitung has already published articles unfavorable to the swedish aircraft...; and even if the leak is true that does not mean politicians will follow Armasuisse especially because of the price.
    However, one thing seems clear, whether it is french-speaking or german-speaking newspapers, everyone agrees that Rafale is leading the technical evaluation in the Swiss competition.
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    Basler Zeitung is published in Basel, Switzerland's third most populous city. I was wondering if we could highlight a link between industrial offsets and support by local newspapers.
    It's not blatantly obvious. Rafale's offsets are mainly located in Geneva, Lausanne and around Zurich

    http://www.rafale-schweiz.ch/images/...dustrial_f.pdf
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    Heads of Rafale International's sales team abroad:

    Brazil: Rafale International's Director for Brazil is Jean-Marc Merialdo. He is a former senior officer of the French army who worked at the french Embassy in Brazilia, he is remarkably fluent in Portuguese, gives frequent interviews in the brazilian medias and continues to actively promote the Rafale in Brazil. He has a good reputation.
    http://www.rafale.com.br/index.php

    Switzerland: Director for Switzerland is Pius Drescher. Pius Drescher is a former Ruag's manager who was in charge of Ruag's fighter jet department. Ruag is Switzerland 's biggest Aerospace company. Rafale international's team in Switzerland is reputed to be very affable.
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post4978381
    http://www.rafale-schweiz.ch/
    Example of Drescher's daily work (click on powerpoint):
    http://www.kiwanisclub-luzern.ch/88.html

    India:
    Director fo India is Richard Lavaux. Richard Lavaux seems to have strong references (HEC...) but it is interesting to note that he's in charge only since July 2011, afaik , he replaced Posina V Rao the Indian manager who had been blacklisted by the IAF at AeroIndia 2011.
    http://www.associationhec.com/nomina...=no0dTjIMMkT46
    http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/03...h-blow-to.html

    UAE: The negotiations appear to be directly led by Eric Trappier, Dassault Executive Vice-President, International.
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    The swiss TV (TSR) aired yesterday a entertaining reporting about the competition: (in french)
    http://www.tsr.ch/video/emissions/mi...rnisseurs.html

    "the pilots would like to have the Rafale but it's not for them to decide"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olybrius View Post
    The swiss TV (TSR) aired yesterday a entertaining reporting about the competition: (in french)
    http://www.tsr.ch/video/emissions/mi...rnisseurs.html

    Making off : "How have you been welcomed?"

    - "The French, a little bit formal, as we saw it. But we were offered a very good lunch with a very good wine."
    - "On the side of the Luftwaffe, contrary to popular belief, a very warm and very relaxed welcome."
    - "And then the Swedes, i have never seen such a clean hangar, it was like IKEA ! but also very humble, we would have wanted to tell them "sell yourself much more ! "

    http://www.tsr.ch/video/emissions/mi...onvaincre.html

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    Rafale's bigger customer and user seems to be India! Why isn't there much concentration on outperforming the Typhoon, or reports on the same issue...?

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