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Hungarian magazine:
This is a photoshopped pic of Rafale F2 in Astan few years agoOriginally Posted by xav
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Hungarian magazine:
Due to irregularities in the choice of Gripen that led to an inquiry, Dassault is now proposing 18 Rafales (instead of 22) for 2.7 billions Swiss Francs (2.2 billions Euros).
This offer will be made if the process is restarted and if Armasuisse has the possibility to evaluate the number of planes (it was not possible in the previous offer).
http://www.lematin.ch/suisse/standar...story/18018976
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Google translated from:France is selling off its Rafale to seduce Switzerland
TSR, Jan 29
The purchase of Swedish Gripen is challenged by a new French offer cheaper than the Scandinavian's one
While the Federal Council had decided in November to buy 22 Gripen to replace its fighter aircraft, the Dassault group returned to the attack by providing a new offer which break the prices.
The French manufacturer sent a letter Jan. 19 to the chairmen of the Security Policy, which proposes this time not 22 but 18 aircraft. An offer which will cost 2.7 billion, 400 million francs less than the Swedish group.
According to Le Matin Dimanche , this offer also includes some benefits as part of a "pack cooperation" military, such as the provision of French air bases throughout the year, or the use of supersonic training areas .
The choice of the Federal Council in November to choose the Gripen had created a huge controversy in Switzerland, the government struggling to justify the need for this purchase. Swedish planes were also among the lower-rated competition.
The purchase of the Gripen has yet to be approved by Parliament in June. In case of refusal, a new assessment will then be made.
http://www.tsr.ch/info/monde/3745043...la-suisse.html
http://www.lematin.ch/suisse/standar...story/20435903
http://www.challenges.fr/economie/20...es-rafale.html
If confirmed , this offer put the Swiss government in a very difficult position ..
Moreover (even if its a bit late) it demonstrates that Dassault is able to move on price ...and as Dassault policy is to offer the same export prices to all customers I would not be surprised if a new offer has been transmitted to India ...
Last edited by Olybrius; 01-29-2012 at 08:01 AM.
The important thing is not the initial purchase cost but rather the life-cycle costs. Will Dassault manage to lower those as well
From 3.9 billions according to U. Maurer to 2,7 billions for 18 aircraft instead of 22 ...
Not possible, it was the BAFO.
More:
Google translated from:[...]To win the Swiss contract, the French state will offer unlimited access to air bases, reports Le Matin. The Swiss pilot could thus not only land in France 24/7, but also to stay several weeks. The offer also provides the use of training areas for firing and overflight zones in the Mediterranean, as well as flight simulators, while giving access to French logistics during international exercises.
Above all, France would give the Swiss army "access to re-cognition military satellites Helios 1 and 2. And the possibility of obtaining data from AWACS radar. 'These offers were approved at the highest level 'by the Presidency of the Republic, "according to a Swiss military senior quoted by Le Matin.
http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/artic...6052_3234.html
Dassault is free send a new offer. Whether it will be accepted or not is another problem.
I would rather argue that this would be a breach of the MMRCA-tender rules, same goes for Switzerland. I don't believe Dassault is doing itself a favor with this.
Wishfull thinking. Rules or not rules, with such an offer, it becomes impossible for the swiss gov. to justify the choice of the Gripen ( which is already extremely challenged). In India, we don't know but there may be a link between a possible new bid and the delay about the final announcement.
I would say its rather impossible for the Swiz government to select a bidder outside the regulated tender. That would never be approved. The Swiz stick to their rules, be assured.
Re India, haven't heard anything about new bids and really doubt that.
I doubt it should be considered a breach of rules. They are in negotiations, which means costs can be cut. If the Griephan quote on Rafale's bid being dependant on successful UAE bid was true, they might be allowed to restructure their bid to avoid single party negotiations with EF GmbH.
No, they don't have to break the rules to select another winner outside the current tender; the truth is the selection of the Gripen is not definitive, the choice should be subject to parliamentary approval (and popular vote) in 2012. With such a Dassault offer it will be impossible for the Swiss gov to obtain a positive vote. And in that case, as said U. Maurer, Switzerland will have to re-start the process from scratch.
And its probably the reason why this new Dassault offer was sent to the Swiss parliament.
http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/swis...rt_204568.htmlIn November, Dassault lost out on a bid to replace Switzerland's ageing F5 fighter fleet when the Federal Council opted instead to buy 22 Saab Gripen fighter planes for an estimated 3.1 billion francs.
But parliament still has to approve the decision. "Yes, I have received this letter," Hans Hess of the parliament's security commission told the newspaper.
Hess gave no further details but said it would be discussed by the upper house group on February 13. Defence Minister Ueli Maurer meanwhile told the Sonntags Zeitung he was not aware of the offer.
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