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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]UPDATE 4-French Rafale favoured for multi-billion dollar India jet deal[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]R_euters, Jan 31
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    * India's cabinet must sign off on deal
    * Sale would be lifeline for struggling Rafale
    * Defence ministry source: Rafale jet is cheaper, preferred

    NEW DELHI, Jan 31 (*******) - France's Rafale emerged on Tuesday as preferred bidder in a $15 billion contest to supply India with 126 fighters, undercutting the rival Eurofighter Typhoon and boosting French hopes of a long-awaited first export contract for its premier combat jet.
    French President Nicolas Sarkozy , who lags in opinion polls ahead of April elections, welcomed India's decision to enter exclusive talks with supplier Dassault Aviation and vowed to provide significant technology transfer as India expands its arms industry. "The realisation of the Rafale project shows the depth and breadth of the strategic partnership between France and India," Sarkozy said in a statement, while French officials avoided declaring outright victory after a series of false export hopes.

    India has become the world's largest weapons importer as it seeks to upgrade its largely Soviet-era navy and air force to counter the rising might of China and threats from Pakistan.

    "The Rafale gives a huge combat edge to our air force given the situation in our region," said former Indian air force chief Fali Homi Major.
    "We cannot say what kind of conflict situation there would be in the region 20 years hence."

    If it came off, the deal would be a major shot in the arm for Dassault, which has struggled to find a foreign buyer for the multi-role Rafale, billed as one of the most effective fighters in the world but also one of the most expensive.
    Shares in thinly traded stock of Dassault Aviation shot up 22 percent to a more than four-year high of 749 euros after the announcement, which appeared to raise the chances of the first export contract for the French multi-role combat jet.
    However, India's Defence Minister A.K. Antony said earlier no deal would be signed before the end of March.
    "It is a long process. The file has not come to my table," Antony said, adding that the finance ministry and then a cabinet panel headed by the prime minister had to look at any agreement.
    A French source close to the matter said the decision to enter fresh negotiations with lowest-bidder Dassault was a step forward but that no deal had been signed.
    Defence analysts said the deal still needed to get through a potentially complex final stage of negotiations in which France's willingness to transfer know-how would be tested to the full.

    LONG WAY TO GO

    "This is not the end of the road by any stretch of the imagination. This is only the beginning of a second stage of this campaign," said veteran defence analyst Howard Wheeldon, senior strategist at BGC Partners brokerage in London.
    James Hardy, Asia Pacific specialist at IHS Jane's Defence Weekly said that wrangling over the deal could go on for years.
    "Financial pressures on India's government could seriously complicate the chances of this being signed any time soon, in particular the depreciation of the rupee," he said. "That and the standard contractual wrangling that occurs during Indian procurement deals could cause delays stretching to years." Indian defence ministry sources said the life-time cost of the tender including training and maintenance could reach $15 billion, above previous estimates of around $11 billion. The sources said the Rafale was preferred because it cost about $5 million less per plane and the Indian airforce is familiar with French warplanes such as the Mirage.
    "Unit-wise, the French plane is much cheaper than the Eurofighter. Moreover, the Indian airforce, which is well equipped with French fighters, is favouring the French," said the source, who asked not be named.
    In 2011, Dassault won a $1.4 billion contract to upgrade India's Mirage fleet.
    In December, French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet warned that Dassault would stop production of the Rafale in 2021 if it did not win any export orders.
    A deal in the works since 2008 to sell 60 fighters to the United Arab Emirates hit a new snag last year when Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed called Dassault's terms "uncompetitive and unworkable".
    The UAE has sought details of the Typhoon, built by the German and Spanish branches of EADS, Britain's BAE Systems and Italy's Finmeccanica.
    Hardy said Dassault's pole position in India was a big blow for Eurofighter.
    "The Typhoon was widely tipped to be the favourite and had major political support from the big beasts of the Eurofighter nations," he said. "Both Germany and the U.K. invested a lot of time in pushing the Typhoon so this will hurt."
    India rejected American, Russian and Swedish bids in April.
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    the preliminary deal with India was celebrated with relief. “India’s purchase of Rafale warplanes means a technological, moral and political victory by the best fighter in the world,” declared Bernard Carayon, a member of parliament from Sarkozy’s ruling coalition who has a special interest in France’s export industries.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...EfQ_story.html

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    This poster was on net long time back, Now it proved to be true..
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale : Dassault into exclusive negotiations with India[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Les Echos, jan 31
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    Sole candidate, Dassault has wide latitude to complete its victory even if the Eurofighter consortium is on the lookout for the slightest misstep of his rival. "The negotiations are likely to be very difficult, said Endre Lunde, a consultant at IHS Jane's, quoted by AFP. India is very demanding in terms of participation of local industry. "Of the 126 Rafale planned, 18 will be built in France, the other under license in India by HAL group . In addition to a good news for the budget of the Ministry of Defence is the promise of a significant workload for the many French firms involved in the program.

    The Indian Army confirms by the way how highly it thinks of "made in France" weapons . Thales, combined with Dassault, recently signed a contract of EUR 1.5 billion to modernize its fifty Mirage 2000 in service. MBDA expects an agreement soon almost a billion to supply air to air missiles. And the selection of the Rafale by New Delhi could favorably influence the ongoing negotiations in the UAE.

    Abu Dhabi is negotiating for more than three years now the purchase 60 copies of the French fighter. In November, the rant against Dassault, vilified as too expensive, has raised fears that all was lost. Wrongly, because since, the two parties resumed the negotiations, and very seriously, according to our information. "Good news are like bad news, they fly in squadron. Here is the beginning of a squadron of good news ", says Gerard Longuet, the defense minister ...
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    I am usually veru quite on this forum
    but today I cannot remain silent any longer
    this news just makes my day
    I hope the contract will finally get signed off.

    A question though:
    I am confused with regards to the engine that goes with that contract, I thought it was the Kaveri the presumable the first 18 planes assembled in Merignac will be delivered with the M88-2?
    cheers

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    Too soon to know, LittleJohn

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    French Air force 2012 calendar:







    Download full calendar here:
    http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/media...table-en-ligne

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]France’s Rafale wins $18bn IAF mega-deal[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Deccan chronicle, Feb 1
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    With this, contract cost negotiations will start with Dassault. The declaration of the lowest bidder marks the decisive stage in the acquisition process, which started in 2007. The original estimated cost of the deal was around Rs 42,000 crores ($10.4 billion) in 2007, but there are indications this could escalate to between Rs 80,000 crores to Rs 90,000 crores (about $16-18 billion). But no official figures are available as cost negotiations are yet to begin.
    India will now compare its “benchmark price” at current costs to the cost at which the French are prepared to sell, and will try to scale down the French bid. Only if these talks with Dassault fail will negotiations start with “L2” (second-lowest bidder) — EADS Eurofighter.
    The Rafale, currently the main French Air Force combat aircraft, is known as an “omnirole” fighter capable of multi-role functions like air-to-ground precision strikes, nuclear strikes, anti-ship attacks, reconnaissance, close air support and air defence. The aircraft is equipped with smart sensors and rocket-boosted air-to-ground precision guided weapons with laser guidance systems, long-range missiles, anti-ship missiles and air-to-air missiles. Dassault says the Rafale was used with great success in French combat ops in Afghanistan and Libya.
    Of the 126 aircraft that will be acquired, 18 will come in “flyaway” condition in three years, while the remaining 108 will be built by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in the next seven years with technology transfers. The contract is expected to be signed in the next five months.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Expert View - French Rafale lowest bidder in India[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]R_euters, Feb 1
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    Following are reactions to the news, which pushed shares in Dassault Aviation up more than 20 percent to their highest level in over four years.

    JAMES HARDY
    ASIA PACIFIC SPECIALIST, IHS JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY

    "It's a big win for the Dassault and the Rafale: its first overseas order, after a couple of big disappointments in Brazil and UAE, and a big loss for Eurofighter.

    The Typhoon was widely tipped to be the favourite and had major political support from the big beasts of the Eurofighter nations. Both Germany and the UK invested a lot of time in pushing the Typhoon so this will hurt.

    "The Indian MoD will argue that it chose Rafale based on it being the lowest bid...

    "However, it is important to note that this is just the first step. Rafale has been selected as preferred bidder but any student of Indian procurement knows that this means nothing until the contract is physically signed."

    UDAY BHASKAR, STRATEGIC ANALYST AND DIRECTOR
    NATIONAL MARITIME FOUNDATION, NEW DELHI

    "It would have a strong positive impact on the bilateral relationship with France. It should not affect India's relations with the Eurofighter consortium because France has a strong footprint in the European Union. This deal does not mean India's relationship with Germany, Britain, Spain or Italy will be negatively impacted".

    RET'D AIR CHIEF MARSHAL FALI HOMI MAJOR
    FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF, INDIAN AIR FORCE

    "The Rafale gives India a huge combat edge to our air force given the situation in our region, and 126 jets means that this is a long awaited addition to our squadron strength.

    "I am not specifically talking about China or Pakistan. I am talking of the capability of an air force in the present scenario in the region.

    We cannot say what kind of conflict situation there would be, in the region, 20 years hence. To maintain readiness in any contigency and to project their power in the right manner, this is definitely a great addition for the Indian Air Force."

    FRENCH TRADE MINISTER PIERRE LELLOUCHE

    "I confirm that we are in a very positive phase for the Rafale in India...At this stage we have to remain prudent; we are in a phase of exclusive negotiations. We have won the contract but there a number of things to finalize so let's be cautious for now."

    FRANCIS TUSA
    EDITOR, DEFENCE ANALYSIS

    "In these competitions as soon as you say there is an evaluation and X is the winner people pay attention, but then you need to have a commercial and industrial evaluation.

    This is not a victory, it is round two."

    FRENCH LAWMAKER OLIVIER DASSAULT
    (SON OF DASSAULT GROUP CEO SERGE DASSAULT)

    "It's very, very, very good news not only for Dassault but the whole of the French aeronautic industry.

    "It's a programme on which more than 500 companies are cooperating. It's a victory for all of the small- and medium-sized high-technology companies that are participating in the construction of the most beautiful airplane in the world."

    HOWARD WHEELDON, SENIOR STRATEGIST, BGC PARTNERS

    "This is not the end of the road by any stretch of the imagination. This is only the beginning of a second stage of this campaign.

    India is going to ensure it gets what it wants. The bottom line will be when they ask what industrial assistance is genuinely going to be put in, compared with what is promised. The second stage will be more about whether promises can actually be met.

    The Typhoon, unlike the Rafale, is far from being a mature aircraft. The Typhoon has time on its side; the Rafale does not.

    ROB STALLARD, AEROSPACE ANALYST, RBC CAPITAL MARKETS

    "Without export orders to date the Rafale needed a win to stay in production, an economic reality that had been reiterated by the French government (its sole buyer/operator to date).

    "The resultant pressure to win in India has likely resulted in aggressive pricing though it is likely to evolve during the negotiation process as industrial commitments ... and milestones are affirmed.

    Nonetheless at this stage we see the selection of Dassault by the Indian government (still pending official confirmation) to be a positive result for team Rafale, which includes Safran (SAF.PA).

    Confirmation of the award is a clear negative for the Eurofighter consortium, of which EADS (EAD.PA) and BAE Systems (BAES.L) are the largest participants. Eurofighter production is already challenged with Germany recently reducing its purchase by 37 aircraft and the consortium agreeing to slow the production line in search of export orders out to 2017."

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Rafale, the fighter "made in France" with 7000 jobs[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]L'Usine Nouvelle , Feb 1
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    [...]
    MAIN PLANTS

    DASSAULT AVIATION Biarritz (Pyrénées-Atlantiques): Principal center of expertise and manufacturing for composite parts, the site is responsible for the rear section, the rudders and the drift.

    DASSAULT AVIATION Martignas (Gironde): Highly endowed with robots, the site provides assembly and testing of the blades (development of hydraulic and electrical circuits) of all civil and military aircraft of the company.

    DASSAULT AVIATION Argonay (Haute-Savoie): The site is specialized in production and repair of electronic equipment, mechanical and hydraulic flight controls (stick, cervo-steering control ...)

    THALES Étrelles (Ille-et-Vilaine), Pessac (Gironde), Le Haillan (Gironde): The production of the radar with active antenna is made at Étrelles for microelectronics components and at Pessac for the assembly. The cockpit avionics is made at Le Haillan.

    SAFRAN Villaroche (Seine-et-Marne), Evry (Essonne): The supplier assembles an M88 in two months in its Villaroche site. Most of the parts are supplied by its facility at Evry.

    DASSAULT AVIATION Argenteuil (Val d'Oise) For sixty years, Argenteuil manufactures and develops the fuselage of Dassault military aircraft. With a total of over 3500 cells under its belt, the site pilots this industrial activity.

    DASSAULT AVIATION Poitiers (Vienne) The plant produces and repairs canopy of the combat aircraft, as well as their packaging fireworks to disintegrate when ejecting the driver.

    DASSAULT AVIATION Mérignac (Gironde) The assembly operation occupies one third of the manufacturing cycle of the aircraft, about eight months [at the current rate of production]. Reinforced by an engineering division in charge to support the production, the site also provides painting operations and flight testing.
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    http://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/le-rafale-chasseur-made-in-france-aux-7-000-emplois.N164502


    Video of the assembly line:
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]France announces the victory of its fighter in India and increases chances in Brazil[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Fohla de Sao Paulo / Igor Gielow, Jan 31
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    It lacks detail before signing, but the announced victory is a major coup for the French manufacturer and greatly increases the chances of the Rafale for the supply of 36 fighter jets to the FAB (Brazilian Air Force).
    This is because the Rafale was always a game with problems of industrial scale. To date, he has lost all international disputes in which it stood, being operated exclusively by the French Air Force and Marine. So far, 272 units had been ordered [no], which does not guarantee the future of the model without a foreign sale
    The problem that was always pointed out was the high price of the aircraft. For India, it is estimated to be spending more than $ 11 billion - which gives a relatively low cost of less than $ 90 million per plane and pack weapons and technology.
    In the Brazilian case, because the order is smaller, the amount offered more than $ 200 million per unit - but it is an estimate before competition have stopped at the beginning of Rousseff government. The deal here is estimated at up to $ 8 billion.
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    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/1...o-brasil.shtml

    Stupid article, especially when they are talking about prices, but its perhaps the first time i read something positive about the Rafale in Fohla.

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    Meanwhile , in a "famous" french newspaper called Le Monde :




    Find the error...
    Eurofighter is also called "Eurocopter" and so on ...

    http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/artic...6971_3234.html

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    i am in deep depression...i badly wanted EF and not rafale

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