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    [CENTER][SIZE=4]Indian Take Out[/SIZE]
    by Bill Sweetman; ARES Blog[/CENTER]

    India's decision in favor of the Dassault Rafale is a big deal. Not only is a 126-fighter order the biggest single sale in sight for a long time, but -- as long as the deal is closed and executed successfully -- it is a huge boost for the Rafale at a point where the fighter business is in flux, and after two notable setbacks for the French industry late last year.

    Those setbacks were the United Arab Emirates' announcement at the Dubai air show that it was unhappy with the terms of the Rafale deal offered by France, and Switzerland's choice of the Gripen. The India win makes the latter look like small potatoes, while a signed-and-sealed deal with India covers many of the upgrades that were bones of contention in the protracted UAE negotiation.

    For the same reason, Rafale's chances in Brazil have probably improved. But this could be a case of "be careful what you wish for". As I noted in last June's DTI:

    The (India) program will be doing several things simultaneously: co-developing improvements such as an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and Meteor AAM integration; dealing with the obsolescence issues that are inevitable in long aircraft development cycles; transferring technology and launching joint indigenous production; and transplanting a very complex all-digital aircraft into the Indian air force, all on a tight timescale. If Rafale wins, and is also successful in Brazil, Dassault and its partners – Safran and Thales – will be doing much the same thing, 9,000 miles from India.

    And, might I add, in an entirely different linguistic, cultural, political and economic environment. Bonne chance avec ca.

    The win also follows the Libya campaign, where both the Typhoon and the Rafale were used. However, while the Typhoon was only multi-role thanks to a non-definitive, somewhat-MacGyvered targeting pod and weapon fit, Rafale had two variants of the fully integrated Sagem Hammer stand-off guided bomb (six of which can be carried on two pylons), with a third on the way, and provided near-real-time intelligence with the Areos long range oblique photography reconnaissance pod.

    The decision is a big disappointment for Eurofighter, where my impression was that many people felt that they were headed for an India win, after Rafale's discomfiture in the UAE. And while Typhoon will still have more orders than Rafale in total, Eurofighter now has to return to persuading its sometimes ragged formation of partners -- two of them representing the I and S of PIGS -- to continue to fund the Captor-E active electronically scanned array radar and the rest of its multi-role evolution.

    And if the Joint Strike Fighter plan to take over the rest of the world does not stay on track, what happens to European fighter aircraft could be very important well into the 2020s.
    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...entId=blogDest

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]General Palomeros: "The Rafale is the best aircraft in the world"[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]France Soir , Feb 1
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    EXCLUSIVE. By the time New Delhi has selected the Rafale, General Jean-Paul Palomeros, Chief of Staff of the Air Force, told France-Soir in what the French intervention in Libya has demonstrated the qualities of the aircraft to potential buyers.

    F-S: Is Operation Harmattan, Libya - during which the Rafale was involved - has played a decisive role in this export success?

    General Jean-Paul Palomeros: It is clear that the success of the Air Force and the Rafale during Harmattan were studied by every army in the world. My counterparts in other countries want to talk with me. They are surprised that we were able to send the Rafale as quickly to perform all types of missions. This was a demonstration of the versatility of the aircraft.

    F.-S. Can you elaborate on these missions?

    J. Gal-PP: We had to both impose a flight ban over Libya, help ground forces against Gaddafi who were at the gates of Benghazi and obtain information on enemy military plan. On March 19, 2011, from the first patrol, these three objectives were achieved. In addition to the imposition of the no flight zone, we used our arms of precision and fed our data for the following tasks. Thanxs to its warning and protective ground/air systems, the Rafale was able to intervene without destroying in advance all the Libyan anti-aircraft facilities, including missiles ramps which for us was the most worrying threat.

    F.-S. You have been directly involved in negotiations to sell the Rafale with the Indian authorities. What was your role alongside engineers, commercial and political and French?

    J. Gal-PP: I play my role as Chief of Staff. The partnership with the Indian army is old. For years, we do exercises with the Indian Air Force (IAF) which uses Mirage 2000 an aircraft very much appreciated in its ranks. My role is that this relationship is maintained at the highest level, by promoting the qualities of our equipements and those of the training of our pilots.

    F.-S. And for the Rafale, specifically?

    J. Gal-PP: to show the operational qualities of the aircraft, its benefits in terms of availability and maintenance. The availability of the fleet is the responsibility of the Chief of Staff. It was 95% during Operation Harmattan. In this area, France has set a high bar. To maintain a Rafale continuously, we need seven or eight mechanics. For some of our competitors is almost twice. The cost of maintenance of the aircraft is thereby reduced. It was one of the essential criteria incorporated into the design of the aircraft.

    F.-S. What is this sale going to change for the Air Force?

    Gal J.-PP The main interest for us is to work with the armed forces of friendly countries which have the same weapons systems than ours. The Indian Air Force will bring us an original feedback that will allow us to develop the capacity of the unit. That's what happened with the crews of Qatari Mirages that participated with us in operations in Libya. Finally,by increasing the numbers, it will reduce production costs and maintenance. Yesterday, one explained that the Rafale was very expensive. He has demonstrated today that he is probably the best aircraft in the world and in the end, it is not expensive.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.francesoir.fr/actualite/international/le-rafale-est-le-meilleur-avion-du-monde-179963.html?google_editors_picks=true

    Such a title is extremely rare in the french press , which generally favors self-flagellation lol.
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Jubilation in France as Dassault wins deal[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]The Hindu , Feb 1
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    Nicolas Sarkozy is likely to make political capital out of it and seek to boost re-election bid

    India's decision to buy 126 French-made Rafale fighter jets for its air force in a colossal 7.9 billion Euro deal, has understandably made headline news in France with a discreet popping of champagne corks, not just at Dassault Aviation, the makers of the plane, but within President Sarkozy's entourage and his Conservative UMP Party.

    This French victory over the rival Eurofighter Typhoon (made by EADS and financed by a four-nation consortium that includes Britain, Germany, Spain and Italy) comes at a crucial time for the French President who is facing a difficult re-election bid in May 2012. With less than 15 weeks of campaigning left and extremely poor ratings, Mr. Sarkozy, who in the past has described himself as his country's “top salesman” is likely to milk the deal for all it is worth.

    Serge Dassault, the Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation is a right-wing Senator and member of the ruling conservative UMP Party. He is also one of Mr. Sarkozy's most ardent supporters and uses his right-wing daily, Le Figaro, to further the President's cause. Both men are probably enjoying a rare moment of quiet victory before the fraught campaign weeks that lie ahead.

    France had almost given up hope of ever selling its hugely expensive technological marvel. Rafale in French means gale, gust or squall and an acerbic scribe once remarked that the cash-guzzling Rafale programme was more of a tornado than a gale, sucking up a massive chunk of the defence ministry's budget. Had the deal not gone through, Dassault Aviation, which has been experiencing significant financial difficulties, would have been obliged to stop the Rafale programme altogether.

    In its 26-year-old history, France has been incapable of selling a single plane outside its own frontiers. Defence Minister Gerard Longuet said last December after the nth prospective buyer opted out of bidding for the plane that if no foreign buyer could be found to underwrite the programme, he would have no choice but to scrap Rafale.

    French Ambassador to New Delhi Francois Richier undertook several trips to Paris these past weeks in an attempt to throw in last minute sweeteners that would swing the deal for France. Ultimately, it was the price factor that carried the day, reliable sources said.

    The Rafale first took to the skies in 1986 and at one point or another since, South Korea, The Netherlands, Singapore, Morocco, Libya, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Switzerland, Greece and even Britain's Royal Navy were tipped to purchase the fighter. All declined after showing initial interest. Too expensive, too difficult to handle, too sophisticated, they said.

    But the news from New Delhi that final negotiations had been opened for the purchase by India of 126 Rafale jets made Dassault Aviation's share price jump a record 20 per cent on European markets, bringing the share to its highest level in 22 years. Officially, the company remained prudent, indicating that the announcement in Delhi was “just another step” towards reaching a commercial agreement. “No contract has been signed as yet. We have just moved one step closer to finalisation,” a source at Dassault told ******* agency.

    The Hindu's sources however indicated that the contract was a lifesaver for Dassault, which “could have experienced serious problems with job cutbacks and factory closures had this contract not come through.” [very debatable] Insiders say there was “unmitigated relief and joy” at Dassault headquarters.

    There was some bitterness at EADS, the makers of the rival Eurofighter. A source at EADS told The Hindu that India's decision was “dictated as much by political concerns as it was by military ones.” The source said that the Eurofighter was a more advanced, younger and more modern aircraft. The fact that France has a permanent UN Security Council seat tipped the balance in favour of Rafale, the source indicated.

    So fierce was the competition between the two companies that EADS Chief Louis Gallois who is French, expressly asked The Hindu to refrain from publishing his interview while Mr. Sarkozy was still on Indian soil during the latter's official visit in December 2010. “We are both pushing competing products. It could complicate matters,” Mr. Gallois, who was part of President Sarkozy's delegation explained.

    Pat for transparency

    Mr. Sarkozy in a statement obliquely refuted EADS suggestions that he had used political clout to swing the contract by praising the “transparency” of the selection process adopted by the Defence Ministry.

    But his ministers themselves preferred to remain discreet. Pierre Lellouche, the junior minister for foreign trade said: “We have won the contract but it still remains to be finalised. We have entered a phase of exclusive negotiations.” Officials at the Finance Ministry said: “If any announcement is to be made at all, it will come from the Elysee presidential palace.”

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    http://www.thehindu.com/business/article2848475.ece


    http://www.courrierinternational.com...r-pour-sarkozy

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]The Eurofighter has lost all its games against the Rafale[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]La Tribune, Feb 1
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    Each time the Eurofighter has been competing against the Rafale, it's the latter who have lead. Even if this was never a guarantee of success in the end for the french aircraft. India confirms the predominance of the Rafale against the Eurofighter.

    Facing the Rafale, the Eurofighter (BAE Systems, EADS and Finmeccanica) just can't do it ... because, despite its few export success (Austria, Saudi Arabia ...), this fighter has always been leaded by the french aircraft manufactured by Dassault Aviation in all the competitions in which they both participated. This gives an insight to the victory of the Rafale, selected by New Delhi to enter into exclusive negotiations.
    It was the case in the Netherlands in early 2002 when the Dutch air force evaluated the aircrafts in competition (85 fighters). The F-35 Lockheed Martin was slightly ahead of the Rafale (6.97 against 6.95). However, the Eurofighter Typhoon dragged far behind with a score of 5.83. The same year, the aircraft manufactured by the European consortium was eliminated by South Korea at the pre-selection phase (short list) as part of the tender KF-X for the purchase of 40 fighter aircraft . The South Korea Air Force ranked Rafale first among the three aircraft evaluated (F-15E Boeing, Eurofighter) after technical and financial evaluations and offsets. In the end, Boeing had won the competition on purely political criteria.
    New duel, this time in the skies of Singapore in 2005. Again, the Ministry of Defence of the city-state, which wants to buy 20 fighter as part of the NFRP tender eliminates the European aircraft. The Rafale in the final faces again the Boeing F-15E. The U.S. offer won in September 2005 on political considerations. The release of Dassault Aviation is also clear: "the US weight gives again due to the Chinese proverb: Bamboo always leans toward the side that push stronger." Dassault Aviation also lost due to the weak dollar this year.
    New cold shower for the Eurofighter, October 1, 2008 in Brazil, which is eliminated from the "F-X2" competition while the Rafale, the Gripen NG (Saab) and the F-18E / F Super Hornet (Boeing) are shortlisted. In the end, the Brazilians enter into exclusive negotiations with Dassault Aviation, but dramatic turn of events , in December 2010, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said during a TV interview, he will not decide before the end of his term on January 1 for the purchase of 36 fighter planes, an order estimated at between 4 and 7 billion.
    The last battle lost by the Eurofighter against the Rafale is recent. It was in Switzerland in 2011, where the Rafale is also topped the evaluations. But it is the Gripen NG[...] which won.
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    Google translated from:
    http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...u-rafale-.html
    But still has more customers...
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    Day in Pics: Rafale: France's versatile fighter jet
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...s/11711475.cms

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    Livemint's view:


    Ourview | A jet of limited use at best
    The choice of the French fighter ends a chapter of suspense in one of the largest defence deals in recent times

    [...] Even at a late stage—when the choice was a suboptimal one between the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale—India could still have made the best of it, by choosing the Typhoon, a newer vintage plane that allows for future development[...]
    Full article:
    http://www.livemint.com/2012/02/0122...d-use.html?h=B
    Remember Livemint was the first mainstream media to publish [wrong] rumours about Eurofighter being L1 bidder.

    Deccan Chronicle opinion:

    A landmark for India and France
    [...]This deal is a win-win situation for both countries.[...]
    There is still, however, one contentious issue left to be completed and that is the final price that India will pay. Negotiations are expected to start soon. [...]
    Full article:
    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/edito...and-france-039

    Hindustan Times Editorial:


    More air cover for the moment
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    Finally, the aircraft must also be chosen with an eye to future threats a nation may face. The choice of the Rafale as the preferred bidder comes up half-full when measured against these indices.
    Full article:
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-F...e1-805373.aspx

    ZeeNews:

    Decoding ‘Rafale’ – the beast India bet upon
    [...]here’s a closer look at the beast we have bet on.
    Undoubtedly, Rafale is one of the most modern fighter aircraft in the world today, having proved its mettle in Afghanistan and Libya. [...]
    Full article:
    http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation...on_756114.html

    India Today:


    Dassault Rafale deal: New fighter is good but price is worrying
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    Full article:
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/i.../1/171460.html

    The Hindu opinion:

    Beyond the Rafale deal
    [...]Indeed, for India, the Rafale acquisition widens its strategic options in a world where multi-polarity is a fact of life. At a more immediate level, the decision to buy the fighters, which has been greeted with unabashed glee in Paris, could provide the leverage for India to hold France to its promise of increasing cooperation across a whole range of areas, but especially in the nuclear and defence fields, including the greater sharing of technology and expertise.[...]
    Full article:
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/edit...cle2851227.ece
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]Brazil Minister Heads India to Improve Defense Ties[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]DefenseNews, Feb 1
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    BRASILIA — Brazilian Defense Minister Celso Amorim is to travel to India this week for talks on boosting bilateral military cooperation, his office announced.
    [...]
    Brazil is keen on expanding its own defense industry and its military purchases to upgrade its air and naval forces are conditioned on technology transfer and construction in this country.

    Amorim was expected to discuss naval cooperation with his Indian counterparts, particularly plans to build aircraft carriers and Scorpene-class submarines,
    in addition to expand exchanges between military academies of the two countries.

    India announced Feb. 1 that it has selected the Rafale, a modern multi-role jet built by French firm Dassault Aviation, as its preferred next-generation interceptor, but details of the $12 billion (9.1 billion euros) contract remain to be ironed out.

    Last December, French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said during a visit to Brazil that he was confident that Brasilia would buy the Rafale because the aircraft’s technology cannot be matched.
    [...]
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    Full article:
    http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE
    "...And what do you think of this french aircraft ?"

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    Fairford ,2012, jan 28:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/74842853@N03/6775059463/

    Since Monday, French fighter planes have joined Wales for a bilateral training with the British.[...]
    Full article (in, French):
    http://www.actudefense.com/des-chass...e-britannique/

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    Olybrius, thanks for the press review, always appreciated after a hard day at work

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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]London's MMRCA Fall Out[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Ares, Feb 1
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    To no surprise, the decision by India to name the Dassault Aviation Rafale as the lowest cost bidder in its MMRCA fighter competition over the Eurofighter Typhoon is not going down well in London.

    Although Germany led the Indian Eurofighter campaign, the disappointment among British political, military and industrial players is palpable. Speaking in the House of Commons today, David Davis, a conservative MP, expressed his dismay at the outcome particularly “given the fact that we give many many times more aid to India than France ever did.”

    David Cameron, who lobbied for Eurofighter along with German chancellor Angela Merkel concedes that “the decision is obviously disappointing.”

    However, he's holding out hope. “They have not yet awarded the contract,” he says, adding that "I will do everything I can, as I have already, to encourage the Indians to look at Typhoon because I think it is such a good aircraft."

    He tries to assure Davis that job losses in the U.K. are not expected as a result.

    As to competitive landscape, Cameron says Typhoon is “a superb aircraft with far better capabilities than Rafale" (or Rafael as Cameron calls it).[/FONT][[FONT=arial]]
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    From:
    http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...entId=blogDest

    Fighter punch stuns Britain
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    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is expected in London “within weeks”. So, the two Prime Ministers will have a great deal to discuss — there is the feeling in London that the UK is putting more into its relationship with India than the other way round. British pride — or at least British tabloid pride — is hurt. UK’s Mail Online noted: “Well that’s gratitude! We give India a £1bn in aid, THEY snub the UK and give France a £13bn jet contract.”
    The IAF decision is a personal embarrassment for Cameron, who made growing trade with India a key foreign policy issue. He chose India for his first prominent foreign tour as Prime Minister in July 2010, taking six cabinet ministers and 39 business leaders, including BAE representatives.
    [...]
    Reports from the other Typhoon consortium members — Italy, Spain and Germany — suggested they have not given up. Germany’s Spiegel Online said the “deal could ultimately collapse — (for) in the past, all other talks to sell Dassault’s Rafale aircraft abroad have failed.”

    If the scramble turns dirty, it won’t be long before mutterings of bribes and honey traps surface.
    from:
    http://www.telegraphindia.com/112020...y_15082222.jsp

    Poor reactions .. i doubt it will help EF in India
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    [CENTER][FONT=arial][SIZE=5]French Company Dassault Wins Bid for IAF's 126 Fighters[/SIZE]
    [/FONT]Defense Aerospace, Feb 1
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    EDITOR’S NOTE:
    French Defense Minister Gérard Longuet said during a Feb. 1 interview on French television that the contract’s value is approximately 11 billion euros. Dismissing concerns about the high level of technology transfer, and over the loss of French jobs to India, Longuet said that production in India will mostly involve local assembly of French-manufactured components and parts, which will generate substantial payments and royalties for France.
    Involving Indian industry “is inevitable, and even desirable,” as this will boost bilateral ties between the two countries.

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    From:
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...ca-winner.html

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    OK, UK and Germany diplomacies falled out. But they also seem to react poorly, like bad losers so far... Disappointing reaction to say the least.

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    Congrats to Dassault and France! The Rafale has always been my favorite of the Eurocanards, and it's great that they finally landed a new customer (and they scored big, I might add). Now, let's see what happens with Brazil...I'm sure we can expect a decision circa 2019

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