Reply With QuoteIt does no harm just this once, a very interesting post in keypublishing about FX-2 :
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...&postcount=609
what a mess !
In this very thread...Originally Posted by Loke2
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...&postcount=185
It does no harm just this once, a very interesting post in keypublishing about FX-2 :
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...&postcount=609
what a mess !
Here is a little review of what we have about rafale maneuvring capabilities.
the video of rafale vs SH from previous page (strats at 3'00)
"French Rafale on the Teddy" ~ The special report of Rafale M F2's performance during the JTFEX exercise, 2008.
1. In Page 37, a photo shows a Rafale M of 12F flew with an F/A-18F from the Blacklions Squadron, the first frontline squadron of Superhornet Block II.
2. Rafale M F2 met with F/A-18E/F in several 1 v 1 BFM and 2 v 2 AA missions during the exercise. However, both sides didn't show their real and complete fighting capability to each other ~ US pilots didn't show the true capability of JHMCS + AIM-9X to French pilots, while 12F was also shy about showing the real capabilities of RBE2 radar, Spectra EWS, and FSO optronic systems.
3. A USN pilot's (Lt Mike Tremel, pilot of VFA-31 "Tomcatters") comments for Rafale M:
"A highly maneuverable fighter with an incredible capacity to point its nose in every direction in the sky."
"The French pilots seem to be happy to its flight performance and its modern cockpit design".
When asked if he would like to swap his Super hornet to a Rafale --> "No, I love my Super Bug way too much...."
4. A French pilot's (pilot of 12F) comments for F/A-18E:
"A great bombing aircraft, but not a fighter for dogfighting."
"Its acceleration capability in the high angle of incidence is not good."
"Rafale is definitely the more nimble one."
"However, F/A-18E has already equipped the JHMCS + AIM-9X, a combination of decisive edge in close-range encounters ~ Although the tactics to counter it have existed now."
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...137433&page=42
Here are some extracts of collins article :
I was immediately aware after take-off of the sensitivity of the flight controls to any demand I made. The aircraft felt alive in my hands. I have never flown any aircraft that responded so instantly and so powerfully to stick input. The Mirage 2000 had previously been my favourite FBW aircraft in terms of handling qualities, but the Rafale with its DFCS betters it in every aspect of handling by a significant margin.I could not fault the carefree handling characteristics or the throttle response of the Rafale in any regime, and the only limit I ever had to remember in the flight was the gear limit (230kt). The Rafale was an absolute pleasure to fly, while remaining almost unbelievably responsive.The steady state roll rate at 350kt was 270°/s and the roll onset felt rapid but comfortable. At 450kt, the same steady-state roll rate was achieved, but the rate of roll onset was simply staggering. I have never experienced any fighter aircraft start or stop to roll so quicklyAnd a rafale vs mirage 2000 and rafale vs F16 article report and the videos to illustrate it :Resetting the DFCS and with the warning system ensuring I had gone from ST1 to air-to-air mode, I dropped back to about 500m line astern on the Mirage for a short tail-chase. This just re-emphasised the power of the Rafale and the accuracy of its controls. The aircraft can be flown in a "bang-bang" manner between axes, rather than requiring "rolling pulls". The Rafale is an outstanding close-in dogfighter whenever it wants to be.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x96...d-flag-08_tech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfqJYyPevvw
Switzerland : Experts prefer Rafale ?
google translation from :The Rafale is on the crest
Specialists in military aviation have their favorite to replace Tiger Swiss. The "Neue Luzerner Zeitung revealed yesterday that the evaluation committee had chosen the Rafale from the French aircraft manufacturer Dassault. This morning, the newspaper Lucerne returns on their information by referring to the surprise of parliament in central Switzerland to the swiftness of this choice. By Simon Corthay
http://info.rsr.ch/fr/rsr.html?siteS...temId=11603422Le Rafale a le vent en poupe
Le budget d'acquisition devrait faire partie du programme d'armement 2010.
Les spécialistes de l'aviation militaire ont déjà leur favori pour remplacer les Tiger helvétiques. La « Neue Luzerner Zeitung » révélait hier que la commission d'évaluation avait choisi le Rafale, l'appareil du constructeur français Dassault. Ce matin, le journal lucernois revient sur son information en évoquant la surprise des parlementaires de Suisse centrale devant la rapidité de ce choix. Par Simon Corthay.
Is this official?
I thought the evaluation commission conclusions were not due until spring 2010
It seems to be a leak, some swiss politicians officially reacted to this statement now so it seems to be more or less official now.
Anyway some french defense journalists like Jean dominique Merchet had already stated that the rafale was well ahead in the technical evaluation quite some time ago citing military sources.
But lets wait to have some futher detail.
It s a leak but that s probably true. Rafale won the technical evaluations. Let s see this official military report soon.
That will be interesting...
According to Armasuisse, the evaluation commission conclusions are due in december 2009.
http://www.ar.admin.ch/internet/arma...ation_tte.html
http://www.ar.admin.ch/internet/arma...ation_tte.html
FX-2: Dassault still negociating
http://www.liberation.fr/economie/01...uter-le-rafale[...] "The NEGOTIATIONS continue with Dassault," says a source.
As revealed by Libération, the manufacturer has already reduced by 40% the price of the Rafale, "but Brazil wants an higher discount," says this source.
The new Fox 3 issue has been released !
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae...mg/fox3_14.pdf
lot of infos for anyone interested in the rafale programme explained in a clear an well illustrated manner.
^ pic on page 15 is really nice!
Perhaps not?
Google translated from: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schwei...1.4208302.htmlFrom the "Neue Luzerner Zeitung these days," widespread reports of a supposedly fallen preliminary decision in favor of the Rafale, the defense chief described as "ridiculous" and "silly rumors" that was devoid of any foundation.
Bailey said, except himself and the Partial Tiger Replacement Project Juerg Weber had no knowledge of the overall records of the three aircraft.
Knew nothing of a preliminary decision in favor of the French agent to request the National Council Thomas Hurter (svp., Schaffhausen), the President of the Sub-Commission Partial Tiger Replacement Security Policy Commission
It's always the same: we can just speculate until we have the official version
http://lemamouth.blogspot.com/2009/1...uelle-est.htmlThe first reports made this morning by a French Rafale pilot reported a superiority of the French fighter over the RAF Typhoon during confrontations in the UAE. The first confrontation engaging four Typhoon against four Rafale ended with a 4-0 in favor of French jetfighter. Despite the carriage of air-air weapons. With an even more degraded throw weight, the Rafale has yet won, 3-1.
The Rafale has faced several times in F22, but in a limited combat air to air view. It would have been in the crosshairs of the American hunter only once.
The Rafale, it is understood, has greatly improved its reputation, especially among UAE pilots. It thus has repeatedly demonstrated its superiority in all the spectrum of missions, by detecting ground-air missiles sites that had not been updated and found by U.S. F-16CJ. Furthermore, the front sector optronics (OSF) has also enabled the detection and identification up to 40 kilometers, an asset which prevents the aircraft to be exposed from visual identification up to 3-4 km, which is necessary for most other types of aircraft.
Similarly, within a minute, a Rafale fired six AASM on as many targets, at ranges of several tens of kilometers, while simultaneously firing three air-air MICA missiles. On the back seat, that day, a UAE pilot…
What "reports" is the blogger talking about? Any links? I haven't read anything about engagements between Typhoons or Rafales in the UAE, quite the contrary.
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