France already sold weapons to Taiwan (and Sarkozy recently met the Dalai Lama) despite Chinese opposition.Originally Posted by Kongjun33
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/24/wo...l?pagewanted=1China ordered France today to close its consulate in the southern city of Guangzhou, as punishment for the French sale of 60 fighter planes to Taiwan. [...]
and lately
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7974669e-1...d=6&SID=google
But we are away from the point
Yes, and besides, you missed his point altogether... or you pretend not to understand...France already sold weapons to Taiwan (and Sarkozy recently met the Dalai Lama) despite Chinese opposition.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/24/wo...l?pagewanted=1
and lately
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7974669e-1...d=6&SID=google
But we are away from the point
I wonder who is offering Taiwan support on those planes...
Dassault Aviation news:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...design-at.htmlWorking Week: Caroline Larmaraud, delivering design at Dassault
DATE:09/02/10
SOURCE:Flight International
[...]
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-83866802.htmlDassault's Falcon 7X BMW Interior Option Wins Design Award
[SAINT-CLOUD, France, Feb. 9 /PRNewswire/ -- Dassault Falcon and BMW Group DesignworksUSA were recently awarded the prestigious "Good Design" award for 2009 by The Chicago Athenaeum and The European Centre for Architecture Art Design for their successful collaboration on the new Falcon 7X interior option. [...]
http://www.smartcockpit.com/plane/dassault/FALCON-7X/
Falcon-7x documents in Smartcockpit :
Smartcockpit.com is a tremendous free online aviation library, where anyone can obtain specific information on virtually any topic. Detailed systems summaries, extensive aircraft questionnaires and an Instructor’s Corner section (which includes detailed and well-illustrated briefings) exist for many active commercial aircraft. We continue to further develop the remaining aircraft and are looking for qualified pilots willing to share their expertise and documentation
A very rich website ..not about military aircrafts unfortunately.
http://www.aerocontact.com/actualite...une~09478.htmlDassault Aviation - Record Shipments in 2009
PARIS, Jan. 22 (*******) - Dassault Aviation have delivered 77 Falcon business jets in 2009, The Tribune reported Friday.
During the presentation of its interim results July 23, the aircraft manufacturer stated production target of about 80 Falcon on the year, against 72 in 2008. "According to our information, Dassault Aviation has delivered 77 Falcon business jets last year. This is a new delivery record for the manufacturer, the former dating from 2001, when he had delivered 75 pieces," says the business daily. [...]
Tradition at Le Bourget :
The Rafale pilot must go greet the Dassault VIP prior to his demo.
Picture from:
http://www.chassimages.com/forum/ind...,74813.30.html
From:[...]
I was a guest in the Dassault enclosure and it remains one of those enduring memories that I will never forget. The French are very patriotic and the Tricolore was fluttering everywhere around me. ...Well that Rafale test pilot had stopped his beautiful machine once only and exclusively in front of the Dassault enclosure. Slowly the sideways opening canopy had lifted away to the left, whereupon the Frenchman saluted his countrymen. It was very theatrical and perfectly timed and it seemed like hundreds of people around me arose to wave and cheer him. Then the canopy slowly closed again and he taxied away. ...I suppose many of the crowd around me would have been French and probably also Dassault employees, but nevertheless the Rafale had clearly made a grand impression and it's pilot must have been feeling famous on that day [...]
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/113750/
http://www.airliners.net/profile/ferrypilot
Tradition too ... The F16 pilot following the Rafale going even closer to the Dassaut terrace, defying the VIP ...and then doing a quarter-turn forward towards the runway...
Story from:
http://www.chassimages.com/forum/ind...,74813.30.html
Google translated from:Arms sales: Paris aims at the world podium in 2010
Manufacturers hope to sign a 10 to 12 billion euros in export contracts.
French armaments industries are ironed on the offensive abroad. In 2009, they exported nearly 8 billion euros of military equipment (up 31% over 2008), returning to levels of 2000. Followed closely by Israel and behind the United States, Britain and Russia, France wants to reclaim its rank as third largest exporter of military equipment, signing 10 to 12 billion euros in export contracts this year, announced Monday Laurent Collet-Billon, the Director General for Armaments (DGA).
To achieve this goal, we need some major prospects lead," he admitted. He cited discussions with Brazil and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for the sale of Rafale fighter jets built by Dassault Aviation (*). "We look forward serenely the Brazilian government's decision and look forward to achieving an agreement in Abu Dhabi, where negotiations are proceeding at a steady pace, this year, even in the first half of 2010," said Jacques de Lajugie, director of the International DGA. On Monday, the new Ambassador of France to Brazil, Yves Saint-Geours, said Brasilia, which has already bought from France helicopters and Scorpene submarines, should make his choice "soon" between the various fighters in competition.
Among other promising leads, sales to Russia Building Projection and Command (BPC) Mistral class built by DCNS. "France has agreed to sell a copy. Russia would buy four in total, "said Jacques de Lajugie. Pending a formal statement at the highest level, Paris examines the request "technical" of the Russian General Staff, which raises reserves of some countries, including the United States. A PCB can carry 900 troops and tanks and helicopter gunships costs 500 to 600 million euros.
In the terrestrial domain, several countries are interested in the Leclerc tank made by Nexter. «Mais la ressource est rare. "But the resource is scarce. We can not sell a batch of 40 tanks. Also, the first come first served ", warned the director of the International.
[...]
(*) The Dassault group also owns the Figaro
http://marches.lefigaro.fr/news/soci...NEWS=134627938
Note: Le Figaro (conservative) belongs to Dassault Group and is the best-selling daily newspaper in France (380 000).
Full article:
France, Brazil Defensive Dedication
France is quickly emerging as Brazil's single largest arms dealer and supplier of sensitive defense technology, Andrew Rhys Thompson writes for ISN Security Watch.
By Andrew Rhys Thompson for ISN Security Watch
Much of this strategic partnership between France and Brazil is due to the latter's desire to remain flexible and not solely dependent on US suppliers, plus the former's eagerness to find additional takers for the products of its expensively maintained military industrial complex, as tight international competition and varying price ranges have recently led many traditional French clients to shop with different vendors.
[...]
As the majority of French weapons systems and military equipment have always been developed first and foremost for the French armed forces and in line with French defense doctrine and government policy, such gear in turn has not always been compatible with the requirements of foreign buyers.
The Rafale fighter jet is probably the prime example of these circumstances. Developed as a French divergence and breakaway from the Eurofighter joint venture, the Rafale has been built in far fewer numbers and has not been sold to any export customers. Particularly the lack of international orders for the Rafale has long nagged the French defense establishment, even though the aircraft has otherwise received substantial technical praise from within NATO circles and has operationally proven itself in combat missions over Afghanistan.
[...]
Brazil's clipped wings
Much of the Brazilian inclination for the Rafale is likely based on the circumstance that Brazil’s leaders see it as the aircraft that the Brazilian industry will be best able to reproduce at a later stage on its own and in turn offer to other interested buyers in Latin America.
Because both the Gripen and the F/A-18 rely heavily on many US built components, more stringent export restrictions by US Congress would apply to both of them and in turn would not allow the Brazilian industry to sell derived products without US approval. A desire to be free of such technological dependency and political control from the US can therefore be seen as a key driver in the Brazilian preference for French technology.
If technically and tactically, the expensive Rafale is the optimal fighter jet for the Brazilian air force, or whether it represents a certain level of 'overkill' is hard to say. Certainly, the Brazilian government and military are keen to achieve new levels of power projection, also with an eye toward Venezuela and matching the recent armaments shopping spree that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has embarked on, stocking up his armed forces with Russian-made equipment.
If the Rafale deal does succeed, it is because it offers benefits to both sides, but even more so, because the French really were willing to do what it takes.
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-A...g=en&id=112473
Amazing set of pics!
Rafale Solo Display 2009:
http://wingshots.foxalpha.com/
Bill Sweetman is wrong
from:Rafale : Elysee forcing
The visit of the Brazilian Minister of Defense Nelson Jobim, January 30 in Paris was preceded by an invitation at the Elysee Palace of the major industries concerned with the sale of 36 Rafale (Dassault Aviation, Thales and Safran). Claude Guéant asked them to "break price" to win the competition [...]
Elysee Arguments . One participant said the issue was dramatized.[...] saying ,after March, President Lula - six months of his term - will no longer sign anything. Since then, the newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo wrote that Paris would lower its rates $ 2 billion, bringing the bill to 6.2 billion (against 4.5 for the Gripen and 5.7 for the F-18 McDonnell Douglas) [...]
http://www.lalettrea.fr/ nº1443 du 12/02/2010
http://www.lalettrea.fr/action-publi...8177-ARL-login
If he think this is a bluff better think again. No one here in Brazil believe in Lula finishing the FX-2 in the middle of a election. If this goes to april/march its 100% chance of this going to the next president.One participant said the issue was dramatized.[...] saying ,after March, President Lula - six months of his term - will no longer sign anything.,
I already see the fX3 in the horizon..... F5 Upgrades until 2050.
I thought they said the formal announcement will be just after the Carnival? I think it ends February 16?
No, the article means the issue was dramatized by Clause Gueant because they all know Lula won't sign after march/april. They absolutely don't think about a bluff and its why they all agreed to cut the price...
Rafale for Iraq ?
http://tacticalreport.com/view_news/...ale_issue/1064Iraq: General Babakir Zibari and the Rafale issue Add to cart
Posted on: Wed, Feb 10, 2010
Chief of Staff of the Iraqi Armed Forces General Babakir Zibari is said to have reticence about supplying the Iraqi Air Force (IAF) with French-made fighter jets, notably the Rafale. The following 368-word report sheds light on the subject and tells what reasons he gives to support his reticence. It also tells what he says about the Pentagon’s position with regard to Iraqi plans to buy new fighter jets.[..]
In fact, it's a complex story:
http://www.*******.com/article/idUSLDE61A1RS20100211Iraq seeks return of $900 mln paid for French jets
Iraq may buy Mirage jets from Dassault
* U.N. sanctions barred arms sales to Baghdad
BAGHDAD, Feb 11 (*******) - Iraq is seeking the return of 651 million euros ($898 million) paid by Saddam Hussein's government for French Mirage fighters that were never delivered because of sanctions, a government spokesman said on Thursday.
Ali al-Dabbagh said talks with France's Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) and the French defence ministry for the return of the funds were positive, and Iraq was separately eyeing a possible purchase of an unspecified number of Mirage jets from Dassault.
"We want these funds returned. Simultaneously, we are in negotiations with the French for (the purchase of) Mirage F1s," Dabbagh said, adding that Iraq had not yet decided whether to buy jets from France or the United States.
An Iraqi committee was formed two months ago to negotiate the return of the deposit for jets ordered under Saddam, and Iraq expects the issue to be resolved this year, Dabbagh said.
Sanctions imposed on Iraq shortly after its invasion of Kuwait in 1990 prohibited arms sales to Baghdad, forcing the abandonment of its deal with Dassault for the fighter jets. (Reporting by Mohammed Abbas: editing by Tim Pearce)
Goggle translation from :Goings-on around the Iraqi Mirage F1
It's an old story that shows Iraq. Baghdad will "negotiate with the French recovery of 651 million euros paid in advance under a contract of purchase of Mirage F1 manufacturers that have never delivered.[...]
From a very good source, it was reported to Le Point.fr that French debt against Iraq on the French aircraft paid and not delivered is not disputed on the merits and it has already been discussions and agreements within the framework of a comprehensive negotiation of the debt of Iraq with respect to France, amounting to 4.8 billion euros and 80% were canceled in December 2009.
So then, why the Iraqi government claims he publicly hundred million euros, with such ostentation that he was an "interdepartmental committee ad hoc?
There is a beginning of explanation in the current negotiations on the purchase by the Iraqis a fleet of twenty combat aircraft:
Baghdad has competed three countries: the U.S. offer of F-16 fighter free, but maintain them at a prohibitive price. The Iraqis are a bit tempted by Russian planes. Remain the French. They propose to deliver Mirage F1 CT just removed from service by their own air force, which would be delivered up to date at a friendly price. Some hundreds of millions of euros anyway.
So it is in full bargain! If they wanted to get these aircraft for free, the Iraqis do not take it otherwise. If we add to this given the fact that this country is notoriously corrupt, we get all the ingredients for a nice bag of knots
http://www.lepoint.fr/actualites-mon.../1648/0/423106
So , Rafale for Iraq ? no, they want upgraded Mirage F1 for free.
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