Nice find...what is Australias defence budget?
This morning (my time) at Sydney Harbour. Because of the world cup our defence force has been flexing its muscles a bit
new plan by the government to recruit for special forces directly from the civilian work force (usually only existing members could join SF)
Nice find...what is Australias defence budget?
No time requirements for SF!?! For real? It used to be 2 years active service to even attempt the SF selection course. Oh man, quantity over quality, shame, shame.
Originally Posted by Aussie2093
If the standard is still there then what is the big deal?
What is the operational difference between Australian SASR and 4RAR?
Last edited by digrar; 02-09-2012 at 09:37 PM.
Ah something the old Chops knows something of...
4RAR were a regular inf batt until 1997 (BiZ not sure on date- correct if wrong) when they were redesignated ADF's only reg commando formation. Their skillsets include building and airfield seizures/raids, LRP reconnaissance, amphibious, airmobile and parachute insertion, CSAR and support to national CT and SF assets.
They have also recently raised one of the two ADF CT assets- Tactical Assault Group East or TAG(E)- to carry out ops on the East coast of Oz and internationally in support of the original TAG (West) based out of Campbell, Swanbourne. TAG(W) was, and is, staffed by SASR soldiers and were the original CT asset since it's first team, then known as Gauntlet One, was raised in 1980.
SASR are primarily tasked with wartime specialist reconnaissance, surveillance and intelligence gathering, strategic small unit offensive ops/raids and specialist recovery of equipment and/or personel. They also conduct operations of a similar nature to USSF Groups; namely FID/FIT, specialist support to UN/multinational humanitarian ops and 'nation building' for want of a better term.
Hope this helps. If BiZ and Reverence are around they are a lot more up to date than me.
Those 2 years as a regular ADF person teaches you what you want out of your military career/stint (ESPECIALLY as a Rifleman), so when you take the SF course after 2 years of say, getting dirty with the infantry, you'll have a good idea about what you are getting yourself into. Now if civilians can just go in, you're going to get guys who think "oh wow, those SF guys in 'Stan and Iraq I saw photos of were pretty hardcore, Im gonna do that for a year or two!!", youre going to be wasting money for even just putting them through a selection course! Now true, if they have got what it takes then it'll be good for SF, however, without proper indoctrination into a military lifestyle, its like growing up but missing your childhood. Suddenly youre expected to be an adult when you haven't even finished Kindergarten. It's a situation where no one wins.Originally Posted by Jack Mehoff
Pls dont mind my asking but regarding the following "direct civilian recruitment"
details of which r here :
The pay seems to be very high indeed ~$74000(AUD) per annum for a PRIVATE!!!
I'm gonna be going to university soon (UNSW)-(btw,which is the best rated uni??)
After i'm out i wanna apply into any of the ADF forces,obviously starting as an officer since i'll be a graduate.
Does the 4RAR accept officers into their ranks(obviously yes but some more details pls since the articles concentrate on lower ranks)....so can i get into the 4rar as an officer and if yes at what pay scale?
Also my parents are forcing me to do engineering at UNSW,so what r my job prospects in the ADF and which branch offers the best pay again(i just wanna be in military for right reasons,which branch depends on pay )
Thanks a lot.
I dont think there will be any COMPROMISE in quality as u put it because think this scheme is for 4RAR only and not SAS.
As far as the 4RAR itself is concerned,you do undergo an accelerated "basic" course.
Apart from this there are various barrier tests etc to screen out the "flashy " wannabess.............i say that coz every aspirant is a wannabe.
There is also a limited commitment agreement so u cant just desert after training.......
Im not sure i would choose special forces candidates that have no military experience.
Unless they had law enforcement careers or had specialty training (ie: communications, demolitions, language, electronics ect.)
The following Australian Reserve Units recruit civilians directly:
Reserve Clearance Dive Teams
1 Commando is listed as a component unit of the recently established Australian Special Operations Command...so, technically speaking, direct civilian entry into Australian Special Forces has been an enlistment option for some time.
The RAN Clearance Dive Teams have played a role in TAG(unit component of Oz SOC) since it's inception, although the CDTs are not officially listed as unit components of the Australian Special Operations Command(at least anywhere that I have read). One of the roles of the Reserve Clearance Dive Teams is to supplement the CDTs in times of conflict...so would that make the Reserve Clearance Dive Teams Special Forces in terms of "guilt by association"?
I think the PR campaign achieves the following goals:
1.) Maybe some direct from civvy street blokes can make the cut to SF, maybe
2.) Lots of young people will see it and say...."cool" and maybe stop by a recruiter to see if the ADF is for them.....but not necessarily SF....defense force recruiting requires "leads" to make "sales".
3.) Showing Australian SF in the media in a positive way reinforces to the public how important (and cool) they are.....because fighting for a share of the defense budget for SF or fighting for the defense budget PERIOD is a never ending battle......SF sells more newspapers than loggies.
4.) Lastly, with global events like the Rugby World Cup(which New Zealand's gonna win by the way) being held in Australia..it doesn't hurt to occasionally show potential bad guys that if they try any crap in Australia...hard bastards like those in TAG will be waiting.
Just my opinion.....
By the way.....there was an article in the sports page a couple of weeks ago about Australian SF working on recruiting professional athletes.
I'm not a member of any unit listed above, and I assume all of the information I listed to be true and correct. If I'm wrong hopefully somehow with firsthand knowledge would be able to make any necessary corrections
i know a guy who did the reserve commando course...he did it alright. its just a trial run..if they don't like it then they'll draw them from the services.
i think it is based on the US 18X system....
Guys it's for 4RAR and SASR. The only real problem they'll have from civvy street applicants is that they haven't lived the military life and aren't going to be sure of what they're getting themselves into. What they may be getting are people that are extremely enthusiastic from the get go, that at this point haven't given the ADF a thought because they didn't want to do other jobs. It's a TEST, so the ADF will see how it goes and decide based on that what they want to do. It also means that they'll get more applicants, which is what's needed to boost the extremely small amount of SF we have at the moment. But I think we're forgetting our extremely capable Infantry, Signals and Combat Engineer groups out there. Send them to war!