"If it is HA they will be dealt with"
So far it seems that it was hezbollah that fired the shots after the Gazelle was doing low passes over the south. This happened while the IDF was doing manuevers in shebaa that past couple of days and increased their sorties over lebanon. According to Assafir shots were fired on the helicopter to disable it. The pilot was shot in the head, the copilot was able to land on Sujod. When Hezbollah moved in to secure the helicopter they realized it was lebanese pilots and moved them to the hospital.
If the story is true then those who fired the shots should be hung upside down.
2) The army usually informs Hezbollah of these flights in order to prevent such "accidents". Today this did not happen for some odd reason.
3) The gazelle was doing maneuvers at low altitude during the same time as the IDF. Keep in mind the incident happened in a very sensitive area, with increased IAF sorties in the past 2 days.
Given all these points someone somewhere messed up and did not identify the helicopter. Till now neither the army nor hezbollah have commented on this. Its speculation, rumors and articles. The truth came out about the katyushas and IEDs...it will come out about this incident as well. No one has ruled out a third party being involved.
Some politicians are taking this and running with it for political reasons since the elections are near. It is the same politicians that accused the army 2 months ago of being a hezbollah puppet.
They were 2 on the plane lt hana and lt aboud .. The shots were warning shots but one of the bullets went wrong in the back head of lt hanna while lt aboud who is in charge of the plane made an emergency landing and was forced out of the plane and beaten and questioned and released after an hour while 3 helicoptes who were sent for rescue were waiting for orderds to enter the area after local militas forced them to stay out ... Sources say that the helicopter hand a video recorder installed and its very well known that the area is being used by hzbullah since its north of litani and very strategic place where is said that koreans are building under ground shelters and missiles base
i noticed few tanks with a very unique camo and it was the 1st time i see them.. Any news about new paints for the tanks ?
HA as far as I know, and the newspaper say, does not have any problem with any of the canditates for the LAF command. The strongest name and which is going to be selected today (Gen. Kahwaji) is also respected by HA, and he has in command of South Lebanon for the past couple of years. So I don't relate what happened to any selection or decision, plus I don't see it a planned message by HA but rather an individual decision by the people in the base, what happened was wrong and a mistake (call it anything), but it wasn't planned, many factors made it reach that level, and i guess many of them are already listed in previous posts in this thread (first time they fly there, there was no coordination about the flying plan that day, Israeli plans were flying at the same time (as some sources say), flying at very low altitude (other sources say) etc...). Again, the fighters if they knew it was an LAF helicopter should have use other means than real bullets to warn the pilot that he has crossed a "top secret" area without previous coordination.What happenned is a clear message to the President Sleiman, the Army and whoever will be (very soon) the commander, that no one can have the upper hand militarly in Lebanon than Hizbollah.
Hopefully this will never happen again, and hopefully if investigation which already started (a joint one), will encover other details and proper measures should be taken. What the news are talking about, is the that army in investigating who issued the order to the pilot to fly over that specific area, and why no coordination about the flying plan took place. On the other hand, i hope HA is investigation also who gave the order to open fire, and why they opened fire without using any other mean.
Do you have any info if other bullets crossed the body of the helicopter??
The army is changing a lot of things anyway during these days (uniforms, camouflage etc.)
Last edited by zaher; 08-29-2008 at 04:54 AM.
There are interesting details in As-Safir Newspaper article.
According the article the helicopter was a Gazelle, and it was doing exercises on flying between the mountains, the helicopter which was flown by Captain Hanna, and another co-pilot in addition to a technician, passed over the area of Aramta and Sojod, then the helicopter made a landing (as a training again) on a hill, then it took off again. According to the same newspaper, some HA fighters who were there thought that this might be an Israeli deployment landing attempt (Airborne operation), so they fired at the helicopter resulting in a bullet in the head of RIP Captain Hanna, and another bullet in the body of the helicopter. The co-pilot made an emergency landing at one of Sojod village hills, and both the co-pilot and the technician were injured.
The article continues to say, that HA members reached the place, finding out that they shot on a LAF helicopter, so they immediately took the crew to the hospitals.
The article says that the bad coordination concerning this flight, in addition to the high alert status which HA are in now resulted in the accident.
Another newspaper, Al Hayat, said that it learned from security sources, that the Air Force command lost communication with the helicopter for 50 minutes. (Probably when it was flying within the valley).
In addition, they learned from the LAF command that 2 investigation committees were formed. One from the Air Force to make sure that the helicopter which used to fly over this area since days, actually changed it path, and thus off its usual path, and a second committee from the Army Intelligence to find out the reason why it was shot on.