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    They could borrow Pumas from the federal police or bring the air force Cougars (are they still in service?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hildemel View Post
    Thats the only other options other than the Bo for us. Unless they plan to borrow some from another country.
    we also have sea kings.. though they are probably worse than the hueys

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    Quote Originally Posted by variable View Post
    They could borrow Pumas from the federal police or bring the air force Cougars (are they still in service?).
    An interesting option indeed but I'm sure our chairborne forces will find a reason to prevent a transfer of federal police equipment to the military. And I don't think they gonna cripple the only VIP-transport capable aviation assets of the air force because as they'd need the helos or the pilots either way. Federal police crews wouldn't be allowed to fly those AS332s in theater and the air force has only a handfull of pilots trained on this model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Reader View Post
    we also have sea kings.. though they are probably worse than the hueys
    Definitely not.
    They're old, but much more powerful.

    If you'd throw out all the naval gear like surface search radar and winches for SAR and such they'd make good Afghanistan helicopters.

    Funny is that our Sea Kings are quite reliable (no crash in 30 years) while in canadian service the Sea King is reputed to be a death trap.

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    Neither Sea King nor Sea Lynx are an option, there simply are not enough crews, the number of available airframes is low and the ongoing deployments are not helping either, as are the worn out airframes.
    24 hr SAR service provided by the MFG 5 covering the North Sea and Baltic already had to be reduced to one h/c (down from three), the training has been reduced to a bare minimum.
    What is available is needed anywhere but in Afghanistan. The urgently needed replacements haven't been ordered yet, so we can't even plan to use up the remaining flight hours on the airframes during deployments, because nobody knows how long they will have to be kept flying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCR View Post
    Funny is that our Sea Kings are quite reliable (no crash in 30 years) while in canadian service the Sea King is reputed to be a death trap.
    They are old and for some reason they can't dig up enough spare parts. They had to special deliver a spare when I was on the HMCS Winnipeg just so they could fly off the ship when it came home. I was scheduled for a flight in one but never did....stupid thing broke down.
    ....I never get to fly in a Chopper...EVER!

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    In context with zu Guttenberg's Afghanistan visit, SPIEGEL reported that an additional infantry company will be deployed to Kunduz, beginning in January. The additional 120 soldiers would max out the Bundeswehr mandate of deploying up to 4,500 troops.

    They also reported that next month, the German government will only seek a 3-month extension to the Bundeswehr mandate instead of the usual 12-month time span. The German government wishes to await the issues of an international Afghanistan confrence before deciding on further commitments.

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...661043,00.html

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    So it's make-or-break now? A significant step indeed.

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    Do the 120 additional troops really help?

    I was hoping for a real step. Like reducing troops in Mazar-e-Sharif, where the situation is rather calm these days. Those could be shipped to Kunduz where the manpower is needed.

    Now we have to wait for december and see if the parliament changes the mandate.

    But I agree, KTzG is really an improvement

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    The last ISAF contingent report expressively requested another infantry company for Kunduz.
    So, its just meeting a request from the "front".

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    Okay, if that is all they need, I'm ok with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by variable View Post
    Do the 120 additional troops really help?

    I was hoping for a real step.
    No you've misunderstood me. The decision not to seek the regular annual mandate extension is a significant step. It is a very responible way of dealing with these matters. And it surely puts some pressure on the Afghan government and on our allies.

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    Understood.

    And we agree that there is finally some movement with this man as Verteidigungsminister.

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    The additional Kp will have a MARDER platoon attached. So we will have 2 MARDER platoons in N-AFG. With the CV 90 of our northern mates - there is a respactable armoored force up there.

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    Would a platoon of Leo2A6 make sense in Kundus? I know, the roads/bridges are not suited for such a massive vehicle there, but wouldn't it be good for a show of force to have a Leo at certain checkpoints in the area?

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