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    Default Paraguay soldiers using Chinese M4 (CQ 5.56) carbines

    Looks like China found a new customer, surprised that they sell weapons to Paraguay since there is no diplomatic relations between the two countries.




    Soldados del Destacamento Conjunto de Empleo Inmediato (DECEI) desfilando con carabinas Norinco CQ-M4 de 5,56 mm. Son copias de la Colt M-4A1 fabricadas en China y equipadas con visores de modelo desconocido. El DECEI depende del Comando de Tropas Especiales del EjÚrcito.


    The NORINCO CQ 5.56 carbine


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    What about the quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefjavier View Post
    What about the quality?
    What about the licencing?

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    China - Asia doesn't care about licences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorhead View Post
    What about the licencing?
    Hasn't the copy-right expired or something along those lines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorhead View Post
    What about the licencing?
    There sould be some copies of M4 to compete with copies of AK in the world

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    I think the copyright has expired

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefjavier View Post
    What about the quality?
    I'm sure they are not made by children in basements

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    USA copying chinese rifles will never happen, that's the only thing I have to say on this thread...

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    It looks like Paraguay is warming up to the PRC. But I think Lugo is playing the 'fence sitter' to Paraguay's benefit. Not a bad situation to be in especially if there is no immediate political consequences.

    One factor in this relationship is the role of the Catholic Church in China. Lugo, up until recently, was a Roman Catholic bishop. He is aware of the plight of Roman Catholic church within China and its disputed relationship with the Vatican.

    He may nudge China towards the recognition of the Holy See and the authority of the Bishop of Rome over the appointments of bishops in China.

    Taiwan says Paraguay ties remain secure

    The Associated Press
    Tuesday, September 2, 2008
    TAIPEI, Taiwan: Taiwan's diplomatic ties with Paraguay will remain unchanged despite an assertion by the new Paraguayan president that he will no longer support the island's entry into the United Nations, a senior Taiwanese official said Tuesday.
    The statement by Foreign Ministry spokesman Henry Chen comes amid concern that Paraguayan President Fernando Lugo will follow through on a campaign promise to drop recognition of Taiwan in favor of China, the island's long time rival.
    In a Sunday television interview, Lugo said Paraguay would reverse its long-standing support for Taiwanese U.N. membership at the upcoming U.N. General Assembly session beginning Sept. 16.
    "We will no longer vote (at the U.N.) for Taiwan," Lugo said.
    Chen said he was not concerned.
    "Lugo's statement will not affect bilateral ties as he has reassured our president that nothing will change," he said. "In the past, allies have given us different degrees of support on the U.N. issue, but that has not affected ties."
    The issue of diplomatic relations between Asuncion and Taipei has achieved special significance because of Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou's strong efforts to forge a diplomatic truce with Beijing, as part of a broader attempt to lower tensions across the 100-mile- (160-kilometer-) wide Taiwan Strait.
    Taiwan and China have been engaged in a no-holds-barred competition to win diplomatic recognition around the world ever since the two sides split amid civil war in 1949.
    Taiwan's diplomatic allies traditionally use the opening of the fall General Assembly session to press for the island's admission into the world body, from which it was expelled in 1971, when the China seat was transferred from Taipei to Beijing.
    This year Taiwan has not expressed a formal desire for U.N. membership, but has said it wants to be included in U.N. bodies, like the World Health Organization.
    Following Ma's inauguration in May, Taiwanese Foreign Minister Francisco Ou said Taiwan would resent any attempt by China to persuade Asuncion to switch relations from Taipei, because it would indicate the Chinese leadership was not willing to observe Ma's hoped-for diplomatic truce.
    China is now recognized by more than 170 countries, while Taiwan has only 23 partners, mostly small and impoverished nations in Africa and the Pacific.
    Ma's efforts to carve out an improved relationship with China follow eight years of tensions between the two sides. Former Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian's policy of pushing for formal independence for the island of 23 million people infuriated Beijing, which insists Taiwan it is an integral part of its own territory.
    Source:http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=15818986

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    i have bought it for 2 bowl of rice! its good multitool! i use at as a shovel, oar and toilet brush.

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    china has a long history of copying weapons illegally

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    Got to love all this absurd and uncalled-for sinophobia

    The weapon is a direct copy of the M4 down to the last detail, how can you tell it's worse than the original system? Just because it's made in China?

    As for the "illegal copy" thing...

    Currently the AR-15 and its variations are manufactured by a plethora of companies and have captured the affection of sport shooters and police forces around the world. The AR-15 is known for great accuracy. Any gun manufacturer can now manufacture the AR-15 as the patent on AR 15 has expired and many manufacturers other than Colt now manufacture the AR 15 firearms across the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisBV View Post
    Got to love all this absurd and uncalled-for sinophobia

    The weapon is a direct copy of the M4 down to the last detail, how can you tell it's worse than the original system? Just because it's made in China?

    As for the "illegal copy" thing...
    Read something about tolerances in engineering.
    Materials and manufacturing are also a science of one's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackie View Post
    Read something about tolerances in engineering.
    Materials and manufacturing are also a science of one's own.
    Do you know for a fact that Chinese-made M4 carbines are of lower quality than others made anywhere else? Or you assume they are because they are made in China.

    If it's a "carbon copy" of the original, then I would expect manufacturing processes and quality standards similar to the original product. I mean, it's not that they are made by slave children in someone's basement, is it?

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