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    Australia: a free-thinking ally of U.S.

    P. S. Suryanarayana

    India remains in the shadow of cross-currents among Australia, Japan, China, and the U.S. on several issues, including nuclear non-proliferation.

    Under charismatic Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Australia has turned into a new-style ‘non-aligned’ or autonomous partner of the United States. Canberra was indeed Washington’s nodding ally until the exit of John Howard as Prime Minister a few months ago.

    A relevant question in this new context is whether the global political order is gradually becoming a ‘non-polar system.’ As outlined by U.S. analyst Richard Haas, ‘a non-polar world’ will be dotted by numerous powers and also non-state actors with varying degrees of real influence. These issues have come into prominence, as a result of Mr. Rudd’s vigorous visit to Japan at this time, following his recent proactive tours of China and the U.S.

    Unlike Australia under Mr. Rudd, two other long-standing allies of the U.S. — Japan and South Korea, both now led by old-fashioned loyalists of America — are passing through parallel phases of domestic political uncertainty. And, the challenges of long-term political survival, facing Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, can be traced to their separate but similar pro-U.S. stances. Mr. Lee recently came under fire for having ordered the resumption of U.S. beef imports into South Korea. Mr. Fukuda had assumed office to ‘resolve’ the crisis over Japan’s logistical support for Washington in its “war on terror” in the Afghan theatre.

    Now, after holding talks with Mr. Fukuda in Tokyo on June 12, Mr. Rudd said the “broad and deep” Australia-Japan relationship “is embedded in the political cultures [of] both countries.” This, in Mr. Rudd’s view, “can endure differences [like those on whaling] as in fact our relationship with the United States endures differences [such as those over its continuing occupation of Iraq].” He also noted that Canberra and Tokyo would expand their maritime surveillance exercises and draw up new “plans in relation to defence logistics” which would be spelt out later.
    Trilateral security cooperation

    And, on “taking forward” Australia’s existing “trilateral security cooperation” with the U.S. and Japan, he was emphatic about the need for “a practical way” that would not alarm China or any other power. Cited in this regard was the imminent possibility of a military-conducted trilateral exercise to meet natural disasters.

    Important in this scenario is that neither Australia nor Japan has now sought to co-opt India. By design or otherwise, India was part of the “core group” which the U.S. organised to rush navy-driven aid to the victims of the 2004 tsunami in Indonesia. The short-lived “core group” later ‘inspired’ a Japanese proposal, under Mr. Fukuda’s predecessor Shinzo Abe, for a quadrilateral forum of Asia-Pacific democracies, namely the U.S., Japan itself, Australia, and India. Unsurprisingly, China was not amused and made its position clear. At that stage, Australia, under Mr. Howard still, did not warm up to this idea of a four-power forum.

    High-placed Japanese and Indian sources have told this correspondent that the U.S. was at first very lukewarm to Mr. Abe’s proposal before reluctantly agreeing to it. [b]Obviously, Washington was not satisfied with the cost-benefit calculations behind a possible strategic expansion of the U.S.-Japan-Australia framework to include India in China’s neighbourhood.[/b] And significantly, at this moment, neither Mr. Fukuda, U.S.-loyalist with a ‘realistic’ attitude towards China, nor Mr. Rudd has cared to pick up this idea of a quadrilateral forum from the scrapheap of contemporary history. However, India remains in the shadow of cross-currents among Australia, Japan, China, and the U.S. on several issues, including nuclear non-proliferation.

    Asked, in Kyoto on June 9, about the chances of his altering course and agreeing to sell Australian uranium to India sometime in the future, Mr. Rudd made the following telling comment. “I understand full well the arguments put by the Government of India, and I have had presentations on this matter from the Government of the United States about the importance of India’s particular circumstances. We are very mindful of that. However, I would remind you of where our policy stands. .... We believe it’s important to maintain the integrity of the [Nuclear] Non-Proliferation Treaty [NPT].”

    Pledging to keep the “fragmenting” NPT intact, and without blaming India, a non-signatory, he announced his move to form an international commission on nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament. Australia would be one of the co-chairs, and Japan was later “spontaneous” in discussing the initiative.

    Diplomats in the region have noted how Mr. Rudd, widely seen as being not just friendly but really empathetic as well towards China in a big way, has now sought to make common cause with Japan on its traditional priorities. One of them is non-proliferation, especially because Japan still swears by the NPT despite neighbouring North Korea’s nuclear weaponisation, now the subject of China-hosted Six-Party Talks. The other common cause relates to climate change, given Mr. Rudd’s political passion for planet-sustaining environment and given Japan’s leadership role in this domain. As for China’s place in his worldview, Mr. Rudd had said, after his talks with the Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao in Beijing on April 10, that “it is important to embrace this relationship.” At the same time, “we need to deal in a frank and straightforward way with disagreements when they arise,” he noted. He discussed Tibet with the Chinese leaders then; and significantly now, his absence on tour from Australia, during Dalai Lama’s visit there, is seen as a China-friendly gesture.

    Expanding 6-Party Talks

    On a wider canvas, Mr. Rudd has discussed with Chinese and U.S. leaders “the desirability of the Six-Party Talks being expanded into a broader security dialogue across East Asia.” And, he saw “a supportive attitude emerging” from both Beijing, a prime mover behind the talks, and Washington, a player eager to prolong its “forward military presence” in the region.
    Relevant to Australia’s own regional stakes are its Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon’s comments in an interview to this correspondent in Singapore in early June. Canberra’s “U.S. alliance,” he said, “is one of the first pillars of our defence policy and will continue to be so into the future.” He also indicated that Australia would not like to see its independent ties with India and China through the “prism” of zero-sum calculations.
    As a free-thinking ally of the U.S., Mr. Rudd has, therefore, proposed the creation of an Asia Pacific Community over time. He seeks to engage all the major players by making common cause wherever possible and discussing differences whenever necessary.
    http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/16/stor...1655381100.htm
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    I am not the biggest fan of the mandarin speaking Prime Minister! Back to Cricket then!

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    Source please! Good article though.

    We should always do what we need to do, and not worry too much about China. They always do whatever they want to do, and dont worry about us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    I am not the biggest fan of the mandarin speaking Prime Minister! Back to Cricket then!
    He's a hard worker, and he means well. But, he is captive to the Labor Council and the trade union interests, which makes it pretty difficult to do anything that they dont like.

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    Calenan,

    I will hold my thoughts for later, I am wondering what changed Rudd's mind, though he hasnt moved quite a bit. But, he has moved.
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    The most intresting part, Australia apart. The china threat has made India re-evaluate its alliances, so did USA. But most significantly, It brought Japan and South Korean on talking terms, atleast for now on how to tackle the China menace.

    Asian-NATO perhaps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    The most intresting part, Australia apart. The china threat has made India re-evaluate its alliances, so did USA. But most significantly, It brought Japan and South Korean on talking terms, atleast for now on how to tackle the China menace.

    Asian-NATO perhaps!
    It once existed:

    SEATO

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/lw/88315.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linedoggie View Post
    It once existed:
    And one can say it informally exists today..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/16/stor...1655381100.htm
    'Under charismatic Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Australia has turned into a new-style ‘non-aligned’ or autonomous partner of the United States. Canberra was indeed Washington’s nodding ally until the exit of John Howard as Prime Minister a few months ago.'
    Charismatic? I don't think I've read this as a being a Rudd like attribute before. That line about Howard being a US nodding ally is rubbish - shows that this author only has a shallow understanding of Howard, and our alliance with US and the govt decision making process. Rudd and Labor despite the irrational anti-Americanism from a significant portion of its support base is not going to move us outside of our safety net. And quite right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post
    The most intresting part, Australia apart. The china threat has made India re-evaluate its alliances, so did USA. But most significantly, It brought Japan and South Korean on talking terms, atleast for now on how to tackle the China menace.

    Asian-NATO perhaps!
    Any Asian NATO without China is bound to fail. Japan and South Korea are not on very friendly terms, but even if they were, India's participation in any trilateral security organization will be hampered by an inability to coordinate with the other two members. India has no naval bases in the Pacific, its land forces cannot march across China, and its only viable contribution in a security agreement would be the ability to attack Tibet from the Southwest. But since an actual invasion of China will invite nuclear retaliation, that's not a realistic scenario. More likely, the actual security issues will have to do with the Sino-Indian border and disputes over various islands and/or peninsulas in Northeast Asia. But in those scenarios, India will be of little help in Northeast Asia due to the reasons I mentioned earlier, and Japan + South Korea will be of little help on the Sino-Indian border issue because of their limited power projection capabilities.

    So what's the point of a India-Japan-South Korea axis? It offers very little ontop of what the US already offers and is geographically infeasible. Imperial Japan's alliance with Nazi Germany during the Second World War had the same issue - Japan could do little to help Germany with the USSR in-between, and vice versa. In the end, they basically fought their own, separate wars and lost (whereas Allies coordination, once the US entered the war, was solid throughout). The same situation will be true, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delio View Post
    And one can say it informally exists today..
    And more effectively than the joke that was SEATO.

    The problem with the SEA region is that diversity in political culture, strategic outlook etc makes it difficult to maintain a treaty organisation. So far, a mix of ASEAN, ARF and bilateral US-(SEA nation) defence partnerships have been the more effective way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerLordz View Post
    And more effectively than the joke that was SEATO.

    The problem with the SEA region is that diversity in political culture, strategic outlook etc makes it difficult to maintain a treaty organisation. So far, a mix of ASEAN, ARF and bilateral US-(SEA nation) defence partnerships have been the more effective way..
    Good observations.


    The United States has already built what pretty much amount to a NATO of the Pacific. The main difference is that as oppose to multilateral defence guarantees, it has mostly done so with bilateral, or often deliberately much nuanced defense agreements with countries like Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Papua New Guinea (?), Palau, The Republic of the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Northern Mariana Islands, not sure about Vietnam, not sure about Indonesia, not sure about Malaysia, working on India, can Afghanistan be included?.. USPACOM is a very interesting organization.

    ..and than you also have Nato members - namely the U.S., the UK and France, with good properties in/around the region - such as Diego Garcia, Guam, and such.
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    Howard was so much better then Rudd
    How the economy came back after Labour's wrath in the early nineties is a testiment to how good he was as a PM for Aus. Rudd is simply riding off the legacy Howard built with foreign relations and our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calanen View Post
    He's a hard worker, and he means well. But, he is captive to the Labor Council and the trade union interests, which makes it pretty difficult to do anything that they dont like.
    The ALP is an extension of the Unions. Always has been always will be. Don't like it, don't vote for them.

    I will say this though. Rudd did basically give the ALP an ultimatum that unless he chose the ministers and could do the things he wanted he wasn't going to be the PM. Why do you think the state ALP is in such a mess?

    Rudds pissed them off (the factions that is) something fierce.

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    Rudd was given the top job for one reason and one reason alone. He is a Queenslander, and the Labour party needed to get the QLD vote (QLD is historically a country/national party voters in their state, who are usually right wing types and in generally don't trust the labour party.) Yes I know they have had a state govt made up from the Labour party!
    With out the QLD vote in favour of labour the coalition quite probably would of won the election, it's the same reason the treasurer is from QLD and the GG Shelia.

    He has many faults and very few positives. Notice as soon as he won the election he stopped using his hands when talking.
    Just watch as the NSW & Victorian national & state Labour people back door him in favour of a southerner in time for the next election.

    As for the alliance with the USA even with Howard who i didn't like either (I hate all politicians) it is not one of jump when they say to, we have and allways will do our own thing. We must remember that International relations go well past the close friendship of nations.

    Oh next time you see a 'Mr Sheen' can of cleaner look at the picture of 'Mr Sheen' it is a dead ringer for KRUDD, except Mr Shhen has black hair.

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