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    Quote Originally Posted by TOWguy View Post
    Then sign the cheque and get us something better Mr.CDS.

    We are, RFP has already been issued.. or maybe, you just didn't know that.

    Read more, post less.

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    The CU-170 crash in Kandahar for unknown reason...according to Dave Pugliese

    UAV MYSTERY ACCIDENT IN KANDAHAR



    By Dave Pugliese 03-13-2009 COMMENTS(4) David Pugliese’s Defence Watch
    Filed under: Kandahar, Heron UAV







    My colleague Murray Brewster of Canadian Press filed a story late yesterday about a tarmac incident involving a Heron UAV at Kandahar airfield. It seems that Mr. Brewster ran into a wall of flak when he started asking questions about the accident. Here is some of his article:

    “No one was injured in the January accident, which involved an Heron unmanned surveillance vehicle, but the air force has nonetheless kept it and the resulting military flight safety investigation under a tight blanket of secrecy.

    At first, the military flatly refused to answer questions about the accident, even trying to prevent publication of this story by The Canadian Press on the grounds it would violate operational security.

    Publicity surrounding the incident would give the Taliban a "battle damage assessment," they argued, even though the aircraft had not been declared operational at the time of the accident and had not been in contact with the enemy.

    The military eventually relented, however, and released a terse statement that confirmed the incident took place, that no one had been injured and that no Canadian military personnel were involved.

    "No further details about the incident are available at this time because an investigation is currently underway by the Flight Safety Team at Joint Task Force Afghanistan Air Wing," said the statement.

    A spokeswoman for MacDonald, Dettwiler and Associates in Ottawa also provided few details in response to questions, citing "confidentiality" with its client, the Department of National Defence.”

    Mr. Brewster also noted that the accident was believed to be a tarmac collision with a vehicle from another allied nation.

    MDA, the Canadian firm which holds the $95 million contract to provide the UAVs to the CF for Kandahar operations says the accident did not affect service to the military. "We would like to emphasize that this was a ground incident versus a flight accident, and that MDA staff and equipment were not at fault," MDA spokesman Monica Verma told CP in an email.


    This incident sparks more questions but it is unlikely there will be any answers out soon.

    Some of the questions:

    Was the UAV taxing at the time of the incident or was it being hauled by a vehicle on the tarmac?

    If MDA personnel were not involved in the incident then who was?

    Why the secrecy about this incident? The CF has been forthcoming before on Sperwer accidents so why the attempts to prevent Canadian Press from publishing this article?

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    Was the pilot ok?
    Mr. Brewster also noted that the accident was believed to be a tarmac collision with a vehicle from another allied nation.
    Ramp strikes are news now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boone View Post
    Was the pilot ok?
    You're kidding right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SF2 View Post
    You're kidding right?
    boone got one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete031 View Post
    The Heron 1 is like the LSVW of UAV's.
    LOL about as harsh a putdown as one can give in the CF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete031 View Post
    Yeah, my comparrison is to why the hell we actually puchased the LSVW when it failed all the tests.
    From what I've read and general scuttlebutt (accuracy or truthiness may vary) it came down to the fact that a crappy version of the original Italian (I think) vehicle could be made by a Canadian company out west. Benefits to Canadian Industry will always trump anything trivial like desired capabilities or ability not to spontaneously combust.

    I heard that the company who made them needed the contract just to stay in business. It was sold to the US and the plant shut down after completing the contract. Its a very similar story to the fire engines that the Air Force uses for aircraft firefighting.

    The same thing is happening right now regarding the CF quest for a new SAR aircraft. There are two decent, foreign-made aircarft that meet the desired requirements. Some asshat in BC says that his rinky-dinky aircraft company can make brand new Buffaloes (the current SAR plane) even though the original production run ended in the 70s and his aircraft plant doesn't make anything bigger tahn a twin otter. The CASR site has some good info about this possible clusterf*ck.
    Last edited by chassem; 03-26-2009 at 09:07 AM. Reason: Truthiness

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    The company that made them (Western Star) was also in Kim Campbell's district.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Sig View Post
    The company that made them (Western Star) was also in Kim Campbell's district.......
    Ergo another political driving force.

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    As long as the Heron crashes during landing or take-off (I would guess this includes taxiing), the liability is not the CF's as they do not operate the UAV during these procedures.

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    Randoms from Wainwright.






































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    Continued . . .














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    Seems like there are countless pictures of the door gunners....what about the rest of the crew?

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    Why are you complaining about too many minigun pics?

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