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    Serbian president urges EU to embrace his country's membership
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    BERLIN - Serbian President Boris Tadic lauded the European Union today and urged the bloc to clear the way for his country to join.

    Tadic called the 27-nation bloc "the most successful project of peace, reconciliation, co-operation and integration in history" at an award ceremony in Germany.

    Since his election in 2004, Tadic has made EU membership a priority. But Serbia has been at odds with many EU members for insisting that Kosovo remain part of Serbia.
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    Since his election in 2004, Tadic has made EU membership a priority. But Serbia has been at odds with many EU members for insisting that Kosovo remain part of Serbia.
    Am I the only one that gets the feeling that Serbia's EU membership attempt is going to look a lot like Turkeys, lots of promises but no real movement. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes 30 years or so. Primarily because the EU is so divided. There are countries like the UK, which have recognised Kosovo and have no plans to backtrack, and countries like Spain which said they never will, primarily due to their own internal issues in the Basque region. If I remember correctly, all 27 members would have to agree on Serbia's entry, and I can't see that occuring. I feel it will be very much like Turkey and the Cyprus issue, which might be solved by an eventual unification of Cyprus, but until that issue is resolved Turkey will have trouble joining. Same situation here, except I can't see the Serbs and Albanians agreeing on a mutually acceptable solution (but you never know, the EU's soft power might well be that strong).

    Just my 0.02c

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unixnut View Post
    Primarily because the EU is so divided.

    Just my 0.02c
    Yes the EU is divided, and the EU Leaders know that, all they want is to split nations via multiculturalism into small interest groups, divide and conquer, so they can gain better control over us. Thats it. And yes our interests are very different, i am personally again a european union because to prevent us from a civil war, the best working idea was the warsaw pact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobi View Post
    Yes the EU is divided, and the EU Leaders know that, all they want is to split nations via multiculturalism, so they can gain better control over us. Thats it. And yes our interests are different, i am personally again a european union because to prevent us from a civil war, the best working idea was the warsaw pact.
    Please, don't spew your fear mongering here. nobody is out there plotting the demise of the member countries of the EU. What multiculturalism? AS far as I know it is still member countries dictating who get's the national citizenship, where the EU "citizenship" is merely a complimentary document. The member countries still have the power over the immigration policy. I still don't get it, why you can't understand that. What civil war? Are you serious? Ohh and yes Warsaw pact was so good. Where Poland was a pawn of Soviet Union. Please you can't be serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikorskiUS View Post
    Please, don't spew your fear mongering here.
    What do you mean?
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    AS far as I know it is still member countries dictating who get's the national citizenship
    As far as i know the european court can overrule every constitution, or i am wrong?
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    What civil war?
    Like the riots in france? Please spare us with eu-agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unixnut View Post
    Am I the only one that gets the feeling that Serbia's EU membership attempt is going to look a lot like Turkeys, lots of promises but no real movement. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes 30 years or so. Primarily because the EU is so divided. There are countries like the UK, which have recognised Kosovo and have no plans to backtrack, and countries like Spain which said they never will, primarily due to their own internal issues in the Basque region. If I remember correctly, all 27 members would have to agree on Serbia's entry, and I can't see that occuring. I feel it will be very much like Turkey and the Cyprus issue, which might be solved by an eventual unification of Cyprus, but until that issue is resolved Turkey will have trouble joining. Same situation here, except I can't see the Serbs and Albanians agreeing on a mutually acceptable solution (but you never know, the EU's soft power might well be that strong).

    Just my 0.02c
    That goes for all of the Balkan states trying to get in .....

    Mine supposedly only reached 13 out 30 of the "main" most important goals....while the full list is over a 100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikorskiUS View Post
    Please, don't spew your fear mongering here. nobody is out there plotting the demise of the member countries of the EU. What multiculturalism? AS far as I know it is still member countries dictating who get's the national citizenship, where the EU "citizenship" is merely a complimentary document. The member countries still have the power over the immigration policy. I still don't get it, why you can't understand that. What civil war? Are you serious? Ohh and yes Warsaw pact was so good. Where Poland was a pawn of Soviet Union. Please you can't be serious.
    I may ask why a person from New York living over 7000 kilometer away from us comment our affairs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobi View Post
    What do you mean?

    As far as i know the european court can overrule every constitution, or i am wrong?

    Like the riots in france? Please spare us with eu-agenda.
    Ohh noes, the evil EU leaders want to split our nations via multiculturalism.

    Nope, the European Court of Justice has the ultimate power in interpretation of the Community Law (EU law). It can only overrule the national courts decision only when the national legislation is in conflict with the EU law. As far as I know that can't overrule the national constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobi View Post
    I may ask why a person from New York living over 7000 kilometer away from us comment our affairs?
    I am a Polish citizen.

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    Sorry for derailing the topic. Nobi, if you wish we can take this to PMs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SikorskiUS View Post
    Ohh noes, the evil EU leaders want to split our nations via multiculturalism.

    Nope, the European Court of Justice has the ultimate power in interpretation of the Community Law (EU law). It can only overrule the national courts decision only when the national legislation is in conflict with the EU law. As far as I know that can't overrule the national constitution.
    How do you know that? I thought no one can read the european constitution, and a full constitution context is not available in all languages, not even in english prove me wrong please, this was the reason why Mirek Topolanek did not sign the constitution, how do you know then that our constitution can't be overruled? Sorry but your avatar doesn't look like a polish one.
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    Tadic called the 27-nation bloc "the most successful project of peace, reconciliation, co-operation and integration in history"
    ****ing idiot, I hate this guy.

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    Tadic is a tool. And an increasingly authoritarian tool at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unixnut View Post
    Am I the only one that gets the feeling that Serbia's EU membership attempt is going to look a lot like Turkeys, lots of promises but no real movement. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes 30 years or so. Primarily because the EU is so divided. There are countries like the UK, which have recognised Kosovo and have no plans to backtrack, and countries like Spain which said they never will, primarily due to their own internal issues in the Basque region. If I remember correctly, all 27 members would have to agree on Serbia's entry, and I can't see that occuring. I feel it will be very much like Turkey and the Cyprus issue, which might be solved by an eventual unification of Cyprus, but until that issue is resolved Turkey will have trouble joining. Same situation here, except I can't see the Serbs and Albanians agreeing on a mutually acceptable solution (but you never know, the EU's soft power might well be that strong).

    Just my 0.02c
    The EU officials have repeatedly said that recognizing Kosovo as an independent state is not a requirement for Serbia's accession to the EU. It remains to be seen if they will keep their promise.

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    Tadic is just a biatch of the west..nothing more, wont be long till he gets assasinated, happened to Zoran Djindjic, coz he was a tool of the west also.

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    I hope your joking about assassinations... those times were over at the end of the 20th century. Plus Tadic isn't important or influential enough of a politician to deem himself worthy of winning public sorrow in the event of his death. Basically making him a hero when he very clearly isn't.

    Turning your back to Tadic is good enough to eventually bring him down along with his cronies. He lusts power, when you deprive him of the influence he thinks he has on you he'll fall apart like a wet newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobi View Post
    I thought no one can read the european constitution, and a full constitution context is not available in all languages, not even in english prove me wrong please, this was the reason why Mirek Topolanek did not sign the constitution, how do you know then that our constitution can't be overruled? Sorry but your avatar doesn't look like a polish one.
    European constitution? Or new basic EU treaty as called these days, the proposals are available from EU's official sites. I don't like way those EU treaties are written as they aren't clear understandable text on any language, they are lawyer speak. Official translations are sometimes incorrect in their "task", good example is EASA treaties and standards, Finnish version of those were found be incorrect in about week after publication as content had changes due to not proficient translators. I agree and hope that in future that those will be written in a way that normal citizen can understand 'em.

    Personally I still support EU fully, it is only reason why European nations are still viable political operators on global scale. EU should have pushed through all new basic treaties before it expanded to former communist eastern Europe, not doing so has stagnated EU quite badly. I personally oppose subjecting those treaties to public voting as long as they above reasoning of "normal" citizens, elected politicians making decisions is good enough for me when it comes to democratical principles.

    Poland is net benefitter currently in EU, you get more money from it than you pay. All other countries aren't in as good situation as Poland. Polish economy benefits lot from being part of union and private citizens too benefit from it a lot. EU treaties are often stalled is simple, those are used as bargaining chips in other treaty negotiations or used for internal consumption and political mind fvcking. In my opinion euro sceptics are shooting themselves in leg by delaying EU processes.

    Should Serbia be given change to join EU?

    Definitely if Serbians want to join and they pass economic and political requirements for integration.

    Personally I want EU to become de facto federal state with common military and political leadership.

    BTW. Avatars are bad when trying to define random users nationality. My avatar isn't very Finnish in any way as an example.

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