Russia vs Georgia war intensive,exclusive pix(daily updated)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

The Russians always come out with some weird things... like , they don't care how their weapons look like or if they are old. as long as they can destroy the enemy , then they are good. on the other hand the West care about how the solders look with 5 star confortability.

Look , weapon age, and 5 star confort don't bother the Russians

Heh, so all those pretty divisions all kitted out in the latest kit marching up and down red square back in the old days were an illusion?
There's plenty of examples of russian military looking uniform in terms of dress and equipment. "They don't care" doesn't cut it.

The reason for the mix and match approach of weaponry and dress has more to do with the appropriation and budget situation of recent years than any other reason. It's not what they want, it's what they have.

on the other hand the West care about how the solders look with 5 star confortability.

Oh yeah, they really, really do.


Seem's more like you just have an axe to grind against the west.

[Russian soldier]

Question:why don't Russian servicemen have the same cammo and why were they riding on top of their tanks/APC in the battlefield/conflict zone?

Regarding the cammo: Russia is huge, covering 12 time zones, and has every type of environment found in the world (except tropics), so different cammos are required for those different environments.

Regarding riding on top: If it hits the mine, they will have a chance to survive. If they get ambushed, they will be able to return fire, or hop out, take cover, then return fire. If they get hit by an RPG, either way they are dead, but maybe a few will see the threat before and get a chance to hop out. Either way, the armor is quite thin, so not really much use sitting inside. Plus cramped inside, extremely, but new BMD-4M chassis should fix that.

[Russian soldier]

I don't know about the 5 star comfort..
Ofcourse this all comes to personal preference but..

Someone mentioned Georgian digital cammo with AKs with orange magazines:
It doesn't matter if its an AK with many wood parts that can be put together with tape, or an M-16 with a thousand grips, rails, lasers, scopes, red dot sights, flashlights, fancy stocks, even TVs....... a weapon is a weapon. Its job is to let out a bullet. It doesn't matter how fancy it looks, it matters that it lets out that bullet and it hits the enemy. I doubt you will care about how beautiful your weapon looks when you got bullets swooshing inches from your ear. Bottom line is that the weapon must work, and it doesn't matter how it looks.

To answer your question:
It doesn't matter how they are dressed, either, as long as they do their job well. And it seems with the outcome of the war, that they did their job, well. Although, you are right, it is nice to see soldiers all dressed matching, and we do have this uniforms. We have a standard army cammo.

[Russian soldier]

Oh man this guy would go so well in one of thoes "Motivational" pics its not even funny lol.


I vote him to be the Heavy if Team fortress ever goes into a live action movie

Hahaha, ......the result of putting McDonalds in Russia?

[NineLine]

Someone mentioned Georgian digital cammo with AKs with orange magazines:
It doesn't matter if its an AK with many wood parts that can be put together with tape, or an M-16 with a thousand grips, rails, lasers, scopes, red dot sights, flashlights, fancy stocks, even TVs....... a weapon is a weapon. Its job is to let out a bullet. It doesn't matter how fancy it looks, it matters that it lets out that bullet and it hits the enemy. I doubt you will care about how beautiful your weapon looks when you got bullets swooshing inches from your ear. Bottom line is that the weapon must work, and it doesn't matter how it looks.

To answer your question:
It doesn't matter how they are dressed, either, as long as they do their job well. And it seems with the outcome of the war, that they did their job, well. Although, you are right, it is nice to see soldiers all dressed matching, and we do have this uniforms. We have a standard army cammo.

All of those gadgets on our M16s serve a purpose. Some of which have saved lives in theater. While I agree that the main purpose of a weapon is to kill something...don't think for one minute that stopping at that is good enough...there are always better ways to kill the bad guys while minimizing the risk to your own men. Kinda of like how the Russians trained dogs strapped with explosives in WWII to seek out enemy tanks and blow them up. Except they turned on their own tanks and blew them up. Good initiative bad judgement.

[Russian soldier]

Well of course some of the gadgets are crucial, I was more talking about the looks of the weapon, as that was what the poster was talking about, the looks of our weapons, it doesn't have to be pretty to kill. And there are gadgets that do help, like scopes, lasers, and grenade launchers, but then some are just confortability, like polymer stocks, grips, etc.

Yes, the WW2 use of dogs was a failed concept. They practiced on stationary SOVIET TANKS. In combat, explosions and gunfire scared them, and their target was not something they had trained on, it was an Axis tank, and it was moving. So they ran for cover to their masters' tanks, and accidently destroyed them.

Sorry for the offtopic, very nice photos everyone, a lot of new ones that I had never seen before.

[VPR]

keep posting lads, good stuff

[LEGEND]

Someone mentioned Georgian digital cammo with AKs with orange magazines:
It doesn't matter if its an AK with many wood parts that can be put together with tape, or an M-16 with a thousand grips, rails, lasers, scopes, red dot sights, flashlights, fancy stocks, even TVs....... a weapon is a weapon. Its job is to let out a bullet. It doesn't matter how fancy it looks, it matters that it lets out that bullet and it hits the enemy. I doubt you will care about how beautiful your weapon looks when you got bullets swooshing inches from your ear. Bottom line is that the weapon must work, and it doesn't matter how it looks.

To answer your question:
It doesn't matter how they are dressed, either, as long as they do their job well. And it seems with the outcome of the war, that they did their job, well. Although, you are right, it is nice to see soldiers all dressed matching, and we do have this uniforms. We have a standard army cammo.

Any russian will take a lexus over a lada, all this talk about not caring about comfort is just talk. They use what they have. If those soldiers had a chance to have the nice kit that the western soldiers have including all the gadgetry with night vission , first class optics, armor wests, red dot sights they wouldnt hesitate for a second to take it and put it to use.

[TR1]

All of those gadgets on our M16s serve a purpose. Some of which have saved lives in theater. While I agree that the main purpose of a weapon is to kill something...don't think for one minute that stopping at that is good enough...there are always better ways to kill the bad guys while minimizing the risk to your own men. Kinda of like how the Russians trained dogs strapped with explosives in WWII to seek out enemy tanks and blow them up. Except they turned on their own tanks and blew them up. Good initiative bad judgement.

Show proof of that actually happening in action.

[Russian soldier]

Show proof of that actually happening in action.

Well of course it didn't always happen, but it did happen sometimes, due to war conditions. If they weren't scared off, they did their job. If they were, they ran for their own tanks. I watched a program on Russian channel about this sometime ago, it also talked about Russian army upgrading from dogs to wolves, because they are better. Like they say, training can never fully prepare you for war.

[Russian soldier]

Any russian will take a lexus over a lada, all this talk about not caring about comfort is just talk. They use what they have. If those soldiers had a chance to have the nice kit that the western soldiers have including all the gadgetry with night vission , first class optics, armor wests, red dot sights they wouldnt hesitate for a second to take it and put it to use.

I'm not saying they wouldn't take it if it was available, I'm just saying that without the confortabilities, the weapon still does its job, and doesn't neccessarily need to be replaced. Definetley not for having "an orange magazine" while carried by a soldier with modern digital cammo. Besides, most of this tech you mentioned available to US soldiers is available to Russian special forces, and soon to be available first to Black Berets and VDV, and later on the regular army, if it isn't already available now, as some of it already is. And with what they had, they still did well in combat against better equipped Georgian soldiers in matching uniforms and M-4s, with their so called "wood stocked AKs and mismatched uniforms", and that is my point.

[sepheronx]

I'm not saying they wouldn't take it if it was available, I'm just saying that without the confortabilities, the weapon still does its job, and doesn't neccessarily need to be replaced. Definetley not for having "an orange magazine" while carried by a soldier with modern digital cammo. Besides, most of this tech you mentioned available to US soldiers is available to Russian special forces, and soon to be available first to Black Berets and VDV, and later on the regular army, if it isn't already available now, as some of it already is. And with what they had, they still did well in combat against better equipped Georgian soldiers in matching uniforms and M-4s, with their so called "wood stocked AKs and mismatched uniforms", and that is my point.

Don't bother with these people. We can throw all the little gadgets on a soldier, but in the end, it is a waste of money, unless the soldier is special forces, where training is more. In US, it probably is not the whole army equipped with all this equipment, more likely the special forces and marine core. So are we more better off then the Russian's? Second, if you guys noticed, the Russian's have developed counter technology. Already we have seen pictures of day/night vision opticals not just for guns, but helmet mounted sights. As well, we noticed top performance armor (they have awesome armor in Russia). Actually, what I heard from Russian soldiers is that they can be equipped with all these little gadgets, depending on the conflict.

Anyway, Russia's military budget is barely anything to their total yearly budget, unlike US and other countries. Once they have everything else in place, most likely we will see them increase significantly on the military spending. We know one thing, Russian's make equivalent equipment, for a lot cheaper. Is the equipment worst? No, just needs proper training on.

Once newer equipment comes out that makes it viable for the Russian's to upgrade to, they will. In the mean time, things like camo and color of weapons is the least of the worries to modernization. Heck, even Iran has all matching Camo and what not, does that make them better?

[TR1]

Don't bother with these people. We can throw all the little gadgets on a soldier, but in the end, it is a waste of money, unless the soldier is special forces, where training is more. In US, it probably is not the whole army equipped with all this equipment, more likely the special forces and marine core. So are we more better off then the Russian's? Second, if you guys noticed, the Russian's have developed counter technology. Already we have seen pictures of day/night vision opticals not just for guns, but helmet mounted sights. As well, we noticed top performance armor (they have awesome armor in Russia). Actually, what I heard from Russian soldiers is that they can be equipped with all these little gadgets, depending on the conflict.

Anyway, Russia's military budget is barely anything to their total yearly budget, unlike US and other countries. Once they have everything else in place, most likely we will see them increase significantly on the military spending. We know one thing, Russian's make equivalent equipment, for a lot cheaper. Is the equipment worst? No, just needs proper training on.

Once newer equipment comes out that makes it viable for the Russian's to upgrade to, they will. In the mean time, things like camo and color of weapons is the least of the worries to modernization. Heck, even Iran has all matching Camo and what not, does that make them better?

No, Russia spends more of its GDP on military sectors than the US (not by that much though). And this is with official numbers, real spending is considered to be much higher. And with the current policy of increasing spending significantly every year till 2010, this looks to remain.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

We can throw all the little gadgets on a soldier, but in the end, it is a waste of money, unless the soldier is special forces, where training is more. In US, it probably is not the whole army equipped with all this equipment, more likely the special forces and marine core.

Really?

So all the non SOF and Marine "core" units that are fighting with pretty much the same kit as SOF in Iraq and Afghan are what?

Figments of our collective imagination?

Guard and reserve units are issued the same kit.

Stop spouting worthless **** and stay out of the thread unless you having something other than drivel to add.

[Afro-European]

Tired Russian soldiers rest after attacking the Georgian village of Zemo Nikozi some 20 km (12 miles) outside South Ossetian capital of Tshinvali, August 11, 2008.

Russian soldiers prepare to attack the Georgian village of Zemo Nikozi some 20 km (12 miles) outside the South Ossetian capital of Tshinvali, August 11, 2008

Russian mobile artillery unit fires a 152mm shell towards a Georgion position outside the Georgian village of Zemo Nikozi some 20 km (12 miles) outside South Ossetian capital of Tslhinvali, August 11, 2008.

Georgian soldiers leave their position after coming under massive Russian fire near the town of Gori some 80 km (50 miles) from Tbilisi, August 11, 2008.

South Ossetia militiaman in action in Gori

Wounded Chechen soldiers

Chechen special forces from the Vostok (East) army unit sit aboard their APC (armoured personnel carrier) in the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, August 11, 2008.

Wounded Russian soldiers