Reply With QuoteWhy? Because its not "ethic" to kill ppl and that the enemy cant injure or kill you? I think because of that the policy of our army is not to say that we have UAV that fire missiles but its known we have..Originally Posted by sepheronx
I am not a hacker, but I know those who are (but they are legitimate, they work for Antivirus software companies) and its the same thing, they may not be able to hack advanced systems, but reality is, there are still people who can, and they can teach. All it will take is a hacker, and a programmer, and a communication device and there you go.
Why? Because its not "ethic" to kill ppl and that the enemy cant injure or kill you? I think because of that the policy of our army is not to say that we have UAV that fire missiles but its known we have..
No, not that easy. Hacking these encryption protocols is never a certain yes.
I have given a example of a system that has not been hacked yet. You cannot discount a line of technology because of a "might"
To an extent, it isn't very ethical to allow robots to completely replace military, and to use it to exterminate others. Also, UAV's and UV's are used mostly as a defense measure to surveillance, rather then offense. Also, you just cannot replace the human being in combat, because like I said, they are susceptible to not just hackers and programmers, but they are susceptible to EMP and other devices that would fry the electronic systems.
And I don't write the laws for the Geneva convention, so I would have no say as in what goes in the rules or not. But my guess is that it would be an ethical issue.
No matter how hard you develop a software, there are always back doors to everything. All it takes is one line of code to have an error, and thus, there is the back door. The people who create the technology, also know of ways around the device. If it has a signal, then it has an encryption. And encryption can be broken if it takes digits or hexadecimals. In that case, it would randomize code in various digits until the device has a successful communication link.
So we need or not to confirm it and btw i also read that in the UAV field Israel leads the west in 10 years and if i dont have a mistake we use them more years then the US uses them.
Interesting...well anyway, it would be intersting to see Russia with Israeli UAVs, specially that Israel is very advanced and experienced in this field. I doubt Russia lacks the tecnology of making these UAVs but instead of time or funds to start a UAV mass production, new assembly line, etc, etc, etc...
I would not doubt that. Israel has significantly jumped in terms of technology. I feel that they have better tech then most western countries, and for a country of its size and how much money they have, I am extremely impressed with them. But regardless of the fact, reality still exists, and as long as there is technology, there is going to be virus's, and hacking programs. They exist for nearly everything that can connect to a power source and has a connection in terms of the open net or wireless communication.
And it is well known that all sides (east and west) have UAV's and other unmanned equipment that can launch missiles or shoot. But does not stop the fact that they still need pilots and soldiers.
tupolev, Sukhoi, Mikoyan, yakovlev, and probably some others, all have projects to create UAV's. Mikoyan has the Mig SKAT (UCAV) and Tupolev has the TU-300 (now capable of launching guided munitions). So reality wise, they have the technology and capabilities. Difference is, they are at current moment changing doctraines, so it would be stupid for them to just accept whatever UAV's, UV's, UCAV's if they don't even know what their requirements are yet.
I read that only israel and the US have armed UAVS but probably few other countries have it also.
TU-143 (300)
SKAT
Dont argue guys, Russia is lagging behind Israel, although it is not "ages behind". The most important thing is electronics that unfortunately it is not as advanced in Russia as it is in Israel. That is why Russian UAVs cannot match weight restrictions to perform long distance and long air patroling missions.
Russia just needs those UAVs to supply at least some of the regiments with them in case of round2 from Saakashvili or another smart a$$. So it would be nice and smart to get some from Israel and give some time to Russian engineers to try to produce something on their own without being limited with time frame "cuz we need em now bastards!"=) Supply the army with something it can use untill Russian made UAV hits production line and make efforts to create the best UAV we can without hurry. IMO.
P.S. to Israeli members. I do not understand why u are so agressive towards Russia. Yes there are nationalistic idiots on the forums and in common life. But after all there are LOADS of jews here in Russia, people are living with them, making friends, working etc. There is no anti-simitic rhetoric in Russian society, although people are lil angry cuz all our oligarchs(well like 90% of em) are jews, and thats what makes people dislike "those cunning jews". But if you are not oligarch, if you dont consider yourself to be better then others, then you are just a common citizen of Russian Federation, you are part of it, just as many other nationalities.
Sep... If Russian UAV's would be as advanced as Russian manufacturers say then Russia would be fielding a large amount of them.. UAV's are not really expensive and the advantages they give are just amazing..
TakeIt.. UAV's in Georgia just showed how effective the UAV's really are.. Thats why Russia decided to get the Israeli UAV's.. I already posted the article that says that Russian officers were impressed by the Israeli UAV's during Georgia war..
No doubts, that we(Russia) need to purchase an advanced western UAVs to gather experience in utilization, construction and service of it. Now, we're outsiders on that field of technologies, it's sad, but it's true.
But there is the BIG question - "Will US let Israel to sell it to us?"
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God, you don't have clue don't you?"Technology"....something like the globalhawk or the predator which are as big as normal planes and carry missiles and complex electronics are "technology". But those little RC planes with GPS and cameras? Hardly star-wars technology... And it's russia they are selling to, not syria or yemen.
Little RC planes? so you are saying that Russia lacks the ability to build little RC planes? you got some serious reading to do, better get started.
Please, stop here. From this simplification it is clear you don't know what are you talking about.
Of course. Yet again, the problem is not UAVs themselfes, but the army structure, command routines etc. Now Russia tries to reform it's forces to adapt to modern demands, creating new structures, yet only several experimental regiments were created to see how concept works in the field.UAV's are not really expensive and the advantages they give are just amazing..
TakeIt.. UAV's in Georgia just showed how effective the UAV's really are.. Thats why Russia decided to get the Israeli UAV's..Really? Look how much time passed already without any clear results.
Impressed by exactly what capabilities of the georgian UAVs?I already posted the article that says that Russian officers were impressed by the Israeli UAV's during Georgia war..
Haha!Russia sale UAVs from Israel for Russia reseach and copy it.
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