Germany Goverment Has sent the wrong Message ..
Having just watched on BBCNEW24 in which a Germany Naval Ship answered a distress call of a freighter sailing in the Gulf of Aden ..off the coast of Somalia
The German Naval Ship Captured the Pirates and disarmed them and protecting the ship from falling into Pirates Control , And yet The German Captain had no option to release the Pirates under orders from his own Goverment . He wasn't allowed to detain them to be brought to Justice .
Due to Political Interference ,
further info
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7799796.stm
German navy foils Somali pirates
German forces with the frigate Karlsruhe (back left)
The German navy says it has foiled an attempt by pirates to hijack an Egyptian cargo vessel off Somalia.
Six Somali pirates were captured by sailors of the frigate Karlsruhe in the Gulf of Aden.
However, the pirates were immediately released on the orders of the German government, officials told the BBC.
Separately, three Chinese naval ships were due to leave their home port of Sanya on Thursday to protect Chinese ships off Somalia.
There have been more than 100 pirate attacks this year in the Gulf of Aden and several countries have deployed warships there.
Confiscated
The Karlsruhe sent a helicopter to protect the Egyptian cargo ship Wadi al-Arab from the pirates, who shot and injured a member of its crew as they tried to board the vessel.
A German navy spokesperson based in Djibouti told the BBC's Greg Morsbach the Somali attackers were disarmed by German sailors and their weapons confiscated.
"We had forces on board the frigate, and they used fast small boats, and together with the helicopter we were able to surround the pirates and disarm them," he said.
He said the decision not to detain or arrest them was taken by the German government in Berlin.
A spokesman for the EU's mission off Somalia, Cdr Achim Winkler, told the BBC's Europe Today programme that Germany would only bring pirates to justice where German interests were hurt.
This would be the case if a German ship was attacked or German citizens were killed or injured, he said.
The injured crewman is being treated on the Karlsruhe.
The UN Security Council recently passed a resolution giving members states extra powers to deal with pirates on the High Seas, including the power of detention and arrest. The Chinese ships - two destroyers and a supply ship - aim to defend Chinese shipping from pirates, the ministry of defence said. The BBC's Chris Hogg in Beijing says China has followed a doctrine of non-interference in other nations' affairs and despite this new type of deployment the ministry insists this has not changed.
Last edited by timetraveller; 12-25-2008 at 09:38 PM. Reason: further info ,
What they need is a 50 kilo anvill and some rope for each pirate. Problem solved. I do understand that no country want to prosecute these pirates because it means they will stay in that country forever. Give each pirate an anvill and the free choice to swim ashore with said anvill.
Bundesmarine Catch and Release program, huh?
Hope someone realizes the skinnies aint striped Bass.....
Whats the alternative?
Arrest them and start a trial in Germany?
Probably half the population of Somalia would turn into Pirates just to get into Europe.
Maybe we should install some Guantanamo like installation somewhere in the Baltic Sea.
Whats the Age Old penalty for being a Pirate?
The Gibbet, Pour encourager les autres
Are you seriously suggesting to execute every Pirate?
Would be interesting to know how other nations handle the problem.
Why not Execute Pirates?Originally Posted by Herman the German
Stops the recidivism problem for one, And makes a example of the fate awaiting any who practice Piracy.
These Guys Aint Jack Sparrow you know......
No, these guys are armed robbers and kidnappers. Do you execute armed robbers and kidnappers in your country?
German sources btw. only report that the helicopters chased away the pirates, not that pirates were arrested. Arrested pirates could be transfered to Dschibuti and the local prosecution.
Pirates, are Hostis Humani Generis They should be treated accordingly
oh where are the old days, when the only answer to the pirates was hanging...
That's what I'm wondering, too. I doubt that there are many countries that have laws to prosecute crimes committed by foreign nationals on foreign territory.
The situation becomes even more fussy as many of these pirate attacks take place in international waters. Strictly speaking they only violate the international law of the seas there but I'm not sure who'd be in charge to punish such infractions.
The legal basis for such a procedure is doubtful if the attack took place off the waters of Djibouti and thus beyond Djiboutian jurisdiction. The legal basis is absolutely unclear if the attack took place in waters of Somalia or international waters and you might agree that there is no working justice system in Somalia.
A BBC interview with the German Commander:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7799892.stm
Basically Germany will only arrest and trial pirates if they threaten German citizens or property. In this case the Pirates surrendered after the helo fired some warning shots at them, their weaponory was seized by a boarding crew of the Frigate later on.
I wonder if the Pirates are dumb enough to open fire some day ...
I think they will learn very quickly.
When caught by the german Navy: Do nothing and they only will take your weapons and let you go.
governments can be so foolish.....
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