Reply With Quoteone of my fav Indian forums... their PAK-FA thread.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/vie...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
MKZT has an unhealthy obsession with so called "corruption". Unless the former-KGB/national security services no longer exist in Russia. (which I somehow doubt since they staged a government coup to put Putin in power). In the defense sphere I doubt there is a whole lot corruption. The real problem is the lack of engineers which I mentioned earlier. Half of Soviet engineers are working for defense contracts making weapons for the US and Europe, much like this was done to Germany after WWII.Originally Posted by Andarius-Militarius
one of my fav Indian forums... their PAK-FA thread.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/vie...st=0&sk=t&sd=a
government coup????
The braindrain is either true, however how to explain that russian shipyards build 4000t ships for India within 3 years, but 2000t ships for the own country take 6-7 years. In both cases the engineers are the same, apparently the difference are the hands through which the cash flows to the shipyard.In the defense sphere I doubt there is a whole lot corruption. The real problem is the lack of engineers which I mentioned earlier. Half of Soviet engineers are working for defense contracts making weapons for the US and Europe, much like this was done to Germany after WWII.
Other example from civilian industry: How to explain that Hristenko declares abandoning large range airliner production, kills the promising NK-93 engine directly before MAKS 2009 despite Putin's direct order, and blocks indigenous designs while promoting Suchoj RRJ (which contains only 40% of added value produced in Russia, what a coincidence). Is it some new approach to attract young engineers to russian industry?
The "so called "corruption"" is something only a blind or Russia!!!Strong crewmember would not see.
There's an enemy currently sitting as the Minister of MOD. I have no idea how a former Customs agent made it into that position rather than Generals with first hand experience behind them. Regarding India, there is a struggle to maintain a large military export sector. India is important because they are a large-quantity customer currently between US and Russian weapon choices. Which is why the defense sector has to compromise in order to hold on to a customer.
Yeah, i know, under reign of Great Leader Lukashenko such things would be impossible
Maybe because its better to produce 40% of the best in the world aircraft than 100% of indigenous 2nd rate aircraft no one will buy?
Which compromise? The ships are built on different shipyards. Indian ships at Yantar and Steregushchys at Severnaya Werf. There is no tradeoff. So how to explain those abnormal production periods?
BTW If Serdjukov is an enemy, who are Hristenko, Fursenko and Kudrin then? And is Putin (who appointed them) also one? (what a blasphemy)
Any facts proving this "worlds best"? Embraer and Bombardier offer aircraft of this class already for years, what's superior about RRJ?Maybe because its better to produce 40% of the best in the world aircraft than 100% of indigenous 2nd rate aircraft no one will buy?
Expectable reaction. At least we know that under Putin it's possible.Yeah, i know, under reign of Great Leader Lukashenko such things would be impossible
Can I get some source that only 40% of SUperjet is Russian?
Superjet is close to breaking even already, the program is guaranteed to be a success as it is, a minor success, or a great one, will remain to be seen. I know it is hard to accept anything is going well in Russia MZKT, but ragging on Superjet is nonsense.
Its cheaper with lower fuel consumption
Actually it's been indefinitely delayed as the engines aren't ready yet.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ed/396945.html
They'll fix the problems and then worst comes to worst shove the SuperJet down the throats of some regional airlines, if the international partners get tired of waiting and international sales don't materialize.
http://www.ifs.ru/upload/030909-sukhoi-en.pdf
The success of Superjet is not estimatable, so far only CIS and CIS-owned companies issued orders for Superjet, Tu-334 is not less viable option for those companies, but with a significantly higher domestic amount.Superjet is close to breaking even already, the program is guaranteed to be a success as it is, a minor success, or a great one, will remain to be seen. I know it is hard to accept anything is going well in Russia MZKT, but ragging on Superjet is nonsense.
Those absolutes about "guaranteed success" are rather odd, is there any reason for "guaranteed failure" of Tu-334?
Claimed by Suchoj (and every jet designer in the world when introducing a new model) Bombardier and Embraer claim exactly the same for their models with the new GE engine.Its cheaper with lower fuel consumption
The question is not if RRJ would be successfull, the question is why russian ministry of industry decisively promoted a design which was only at the initial state of development and was more foreign then domestic, while having completely developed Tu-334 available, but denying funds for certification. Unlike RRJ, Tu-334 had an option for domestic engines and would be ready for serial production already 2005.
Good stuff thanks.
I have found some interesting information on this one as well.
http://www.***********.net/showthrea...ghlight=Pak-Fa
Last edited by flyingfish; 01-09-2010 at 11:08 PM. Reason: Bad link
Great, this delay won't change much in the bigger picture.
hmm strange can't link it shows up.
http://www.***********.net/showthrea...ghlight=Pak-Fa
Try typing it in after the www.***********.net
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Tu-334 would fail miserably on international market, funny you would bring it up, talk about non competative aircrfat. Whats next, Tu-204 should have been emphasized more?
Second, the Superjet has been ordered by non CIS companies, what nonsense. Italy, Spain, Hungary, Indonesia.
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