Thread: Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA

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    3d vectoring ??? look at the places on the wing of the pak fa can turn and then talk ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypriot View Post
    3d vectoring ??? look at the places on the wing of the pak fa can turn and then talk ...
    The PAK FA prototypes are using the AL-41 which is 2D (with the canted mounting it acts like 2.5D vectoring) and I think they still have the nozzles locked center for now. I don't know if the final production engine will be 3D or not.

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    There are photos of the engines shifted off enter (one shifter, other straight), so the engine can do 3D vectoring.

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    Any explanation for these pictures?





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    ^^ 51 and 52 had a bastard child :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontempladorII View Post
    Any explanation for these pictures?
    What explanation do you need?

    T-50-1 is grounded. For some reason that we will probably never know, T-50-2 (which is flying frequently) needed new tails. "Cannibalism" is nothing new in test programs. Btw, T-50-1 had its tails refit/fixed at KnAAPO atleast once.

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    [*******#000000]Is PAK[/COLOR]-[*******#000000]FA[/COLOR] going to have [*******#000000]flat nozzles[/COLOR] or not ? if not why ? no [*******#000000]3D[/COLOR] thrust vectoring with flat nozzles ? loss of thrust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubick View Post
    [*******#000000]Is PAK[/COLOR]-[*******#000000]FA[/COLOR] going to have [*******#000000]flat nozzles[/COLOR] or not ? if not why ? no [*******#000000]3D[/COLOR] thrust vectoring with flat nozzles ? loss of thrust?
    Second phase engines are supposed to be projected to use flat nozzles. We will see. Around 2016. 3D is possible with flat nozzles, but i really doubt they will bother. They hope to bring the loss of thrust down to 2-3 %, so it wont be too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontempladorII View Post
    Any explanation for these pictures?
    Lots of FAKE out there unfortunatly... so don't believe all you see



    They should spent their time faking Su33 taking off with weapons instead

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    PAk-FA FLAT 3d Nozzle with partial air intake from above to reduce IR signature and maximize stealth




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    How the 3D deflection works?

    BTW, are those in the first pic brake deflectors like on the Tornado?

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    any official information of how many PAk's were going to buy when the programm is accomplished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    Lots of FAKE out there unfortunatly... so don't believe all you see
    WTF? It is real pictures. (not the ones you posted, but those earlier)

    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    PAk-FA FLAT 3d Nozzle with partial air intake from above to reduce IR signature and maximize stealth
    Nope, that is somebodys imagination.

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    Photoshop. It would be cool if someone could photoshop some PAK-FA and Su-35S pics into the new dark-grey livery of the Russian Air Force. Just to see how they would look.


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