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    Any explanation for these pictures?





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    ^^ 51 and 52 had a bastard child :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontempladorII View Post
    Any explanation for these pictures?
    What explanation do you need?

    T-50-1 is grounded. For some reason that we will probably never know, T-50-2 (which is flying frequently) needed new tails. "Cannibalism" is nothing new in test programs. Btw, T-50-1 had its tails refit/fixed at KnAAPO atleast once.

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    [*******#000000]Is PAK[/COLOR]-[*******#000000]FA[/COLOR] going to have [*******#000000]flat nozzles[/COLOR] or not ? if not why ? no [*******#000000]3D[/COLOR] thrust vectoring with flat nozzles ? loss of thrust?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubick View Post
    [*******#000000]Is PAK[/COLOR]-[*******#000000]FA[/COLOR] going to have [*******#000000]flat nozzles[/COLOR] or not ? if not why ? no [*******#000000]3D[/COLOR] thrust vectoring with flat nozzles ? loss of thrust?
    Second phase engines are supposed to be projected to use flat nozzles. We will see. Around 2016. 3D is possible with flat nozzles, but i really doubt they will bother. They hope to bring the loss of thrust down to 2-3 %, so it wont be too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kontempladorII View Post
    Any explanation for these pictures?
    Lots of FAKE out there unfortunatly... so don't believe all you see



    They should spent their time faking Su33 taking off with weapons instead

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    PAk-FA FLAT 3d Nozzle with partial air intake from above to reduce IR signature and maximize stealth




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    How the 3D deflection works?

    BTW, are those in the first pic brake deflectors like on the Tornado?

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    any official information of how many PAk's were going to buy when the programm is accomplished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xav View Post
    Lots of FAKE out there unfortunatly... so don't believe all you see
    WTF? It is real pictures. (not the ones you posted, but those earlier)

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    PAk-FA FLAT 3d Nozzle with partial air intake from above to reduce IR signature and maximize stealth
    Nope, that is somebodys imagination.

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    Photoshop. It would be cool if someone could photoshop some PAK-FA and Su-35S pics into the new dark-grey livery of the Russian Air Force. Just to see how they would look.


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    So.

    Two different photographers post two different pictures taken at different times showing the exact same photoshop, and one of them posted on Airliners, which is very strict to not have PS pictures. You two are Titans of logical thinking, congrats.

    Not to mention you have to have the medical condition known as being blind, to not see difference in details between T-50-1 and -2 tails. And you can see those specifics on the new pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Photoshop

    No. The photos are real. Look carefully to the details of the tail fins of T50-1/2 in MASKS2011 pictures and compare with the pictures above.

    Actually, I was looking for some rumors regarding this change. So, T50-1 is grounded for whatever reasons and both have had their tail fins changed at least once. There was also a change in the T50-3 in the same parts. Is it related? Any other news regarding the latest prototype?

    And what about the Sukhoi's surprise for the next months?



    . It would be cool if someone could photoshop some PAK-FA and Su-35S pics into the new dark-grey livery of the Russian Air Force. Just to see how they would look.

    Few of them













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    Quote Originally Posted by artjomh View Post
    There are photos of the engines shifted off enter (one shifter, other straight), so the engine can do 3D vectoring.
    That's not what defines 3D TVC. The engines fitted to the PAK-FA currently have canted 2D nozzles (which is referred to as 2.5D)

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    So.

    Two different photographers post two different pictures taken at different times showing the exact same photoshop, and one of them posted on Airliners, which is very strict to not have PS pictures. You two are Titans of logical thinking, congrats.

    Not to mention you have to have the medical condition known as being blind, to not see difference in details between T-50-1 and -2 tails. And you can see those specifics on the new pics.
    The "Photoshop" was an announcement for the picture I posted, before any discussions erupt that it is fake and blablabla...of course it's fake. I am aware that the 51 vert.-tail on the 52 airframe pics are real, I am not doubting that and the comment from above saying that they are fake doesn't make sense.

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