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    Quote Originally Posted by Akril View Post
    But here again, MOD put both Russian pods on hold and purchased some Israeli stuff, and they quite unhappy with KS-N being an external module.
    And very understandably so.

    Again, thanks for posting Akril, makes the overall picture a bit clearer. And KS-P is news to me... I thought the undernose thingy was part of U system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    And very understandably so.
    You can't fit everything in that airframe.
    It ether air domination in stealth mode, and once PAK FA clear a skies, it returns to base and gain as much of external payload as it can (this is intended right now), or you wait another 5-10 years 'till Russian industries catch up with miniaturization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akril View Post
    You can't fit everything in that airframe.
    It ether air domination in stealth mode, and once PAK FA clear a skies, it returns to base and gain as much of external payload as it can (this is intended right now), or you wait another 5-10 years 'till Russian industries catch up with miniaturization.
    Yeah, that is true, but i get MOD thinking as well.

    However, once one clears the sky, PAK FA will probably have all kinds of **** outside the frame, F-35 style. A bit off topic, but do you know whatever happened to OLS-K for MiG-35?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    Yeah, that is true, but i get MOD thinking as well.
    *self-censored whining about wonderwaffles and zero investment in R&D*

    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    do you know whatever happened to OLS-K for MiG-35?
    Never heard about it during my work time on UOMZ. Thats the SPP devise after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akril View Post
    Never heard about it during my work time on UOMZ. Thats the SPP devise after all.
    F hell, you are correct. Had to check Smotr series now, this for those that are interested:



    NIIPP is the older name for NPK-SSP right? Logo is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    NIIPP is the older name for NPK-SSP right? Logo is the same.
    There is something like dozen NIIPPs, including the one from Zhukovsky that also makes avionics, so the Moscow NII PP, the one we are talking about, has changed abbreviation to NPK PPS (SPP was typo as yours SSP ) for the sake of clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    And very understandably so.
    Why to add aditional weight to a fighter that will mostly fly air superiority mission.
    if nedded to bomb key targets it can use GLONASS guided bombs or tv guided bombs which dont need targeted pod.
    remember the f-35 was firstly build for strike missions of key targets that why it have ols integrated inside it.now f-35 is given the air superiority mission which IMO isnt addeguate for this mission

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikoyan.1991 View Post
    remember the f-35 was firstly build for strike missions of key targets that why it have ols integrated inside it.now f-35 is given the air superiority mission which IMO isnt addeguate for this mission
    Incorrect. It's always been intended as a multirole aircraft like the F-16 and Rafale.

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    achive air superiority an aircraft with turn rate worse than f-4 .it was a strike plane than was given air super.mission

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    is any other country apart from Russia or India interested in the PAK FA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomlyGenerated View Post
    is any other country apart from Russia or India interested in the PAK FA?
    Reportedly Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalerab View Post
    Reportedly Vietnam.
    Seriously...? i don't personally think that's a good move

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikoyan.1991 View Post
    achive air superiority an aircraft with turn rate worse than f-4 .it was a strike plane than was given air super.mission
    Sounds like you've got the F-35 mixed up with something else. Might want to pull your head out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomlyGenerated View Post
    Seriously...? i don't personally think that's a good move
    if Vietnam got the cash, why not, they operate flankers already (some of them look really dated by now), so PAK FA makes the logical choice for future replacement

    PAK FA is seriously geared towards foreign sales, especially with current Flankers operators with booming economy like India, Vietnam, Indonesia

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    i know f-35 has air superiority capability,mostly BVR.in WVR is not good coz its manueverly is really bad.
    according to USAF f-22 would be an air superiority fighter which duty was clear the skies (it has also some ground attach capability),while f-35 would be cheaper stealth multirole in f-16 role.

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