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    Quote Originally Posted by strategist View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am not russian, so i am going to ask a silly question, I can see some officers in blue, and some others in green, are the both Russians ?
    Yes. Blue uniforms were (re-)introduced, then partly replaced by olive green for every-day uniform with blue lining etc.
    At present, air force top officers and flight crews still wear blue uniforms, air defense, space forces and other air force personnel wear olive green.

    Regarding the picture, I think it is a simulator
    But I don't know if its the rafale or not
    Thanks
    It's definitely a sim., it's definitely not a T-50/Su-50/PAK FA sim, and most likely it's a Rafale sim.
    Could be a "italian" Yak-130 (i.e. the Aermacchi version) as well, but I'll bet on a Rafale.
    PS: for those who still wonder if it's the PAK FA, ask yourself what does a Martin Baker ejseat do on a Russian plane.

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    It is a rafale sim...Obvious when you know rafale cockpit.

    Besides it is written "RAFALE" on the sims and the left screen shows a rafale with available armament.

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    [SIZE=5]PAK-FA will fly this month![/SIZE]

    DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

    The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

    “The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

    The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

    “The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

    “The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.

    The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

    Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.


    http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=766

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyko_Borisov View Post
    [SIZE=5]PAK-FA will fly this month![/SIZE]

    DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

    The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

    “The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

    The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

    “The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

    “The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.

    The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

    Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.


    http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=766
    No way... I'm salivating at the prospect of finally seeing PAK FA

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    Finally!

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    PAK DA to use PAK FA engines



    This possible look of PAKDA was published in "China National Aero"

    Here is google translation from Chinese to English:

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    Russia's next-generation bomber project's official name is "the future of long-range aviation system," (PAK DA), and closely watched the fifth-generation fighter, "the future of front-line aviation system," (PAK FA), compared, PAK DA obscurity once seemed, while the end of last year This news makes it a focus of international attention.

    As the public information on the PAK DA is very rare, its true face can make a rough guess.

    Development History
    Is also the 20th century, 90 years, when the Russian Air Force commander Deinekin hope that a new, cheaper to replace the map-22M bombers and Figure -160. He said: "multi-purpose medium bombers to the strategic bomber would be a great impact, because they are more expensive and relatively difficult to detect." Perhaps he refers to "project 54S" bombers. The research project stalled in 1991, and in the economic situation is very bad attempt to re-launched in 1994. To be fair, this is indeed a kind of revolutionary bombers, but it can not completely replace the map's position and role of the -160.

    In 1999, Russia's new bomber design work started, the purpose is to replace the existing map-95MS and Figure -160, but the plans have been unrealistic to hope to use medium bomber to replace the strategic bombers. According to the draft plan, the new aircraft must be completed by 2010, but the problem is simply impossible at this time there is sufficient 20-ton thrust of the AL-41F engines.


    "Medium-range bomber," the word in the present conditions, it is difficult to understand: It is SO -34? Or Fig-22M? Or something in between a plane? In the past, the word is very clear: Figure -16, Figure -22, Figure-22M and the United States B-58 are medium-range bombers. "Remote" is defined as the range of 7,000 kilometers. The "long-range strategic flights" refers to the flight of at least 12,000 km. Fig -160 has a range up to 14,000 km.

    It is estimated that, PAK DA can use the existing map-22M bases and runways. Flight time is about 2015 ~ 2021, the 2027 production of 100 or so, an annual output of 10 ~ 12, or 1 per month.
    [LEFT]
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    Allegedly, PAK DA will continue for a diagram of the -160 design ideas, which means it is unlikely similar to the U.S. B-2 stealth bomber. With the B-2 stealth bomber, similar to the Russian project in the 20th century, the mid-90s has been suspended.

    Later PAK DA project, the MiG design bureau, Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Tupolev Design Bureau have put forward their own programs, including the MiG design bureau of the program is a hypersonic bomber, the Sukhoi Design Bureau The program is based on an existing design, while the Tupolev Design Bureau hopes to continue to significantly improve the map-22M, the development of a 50-ton twin variable-geometry wing bomber, size is about half the figure -160. Judging from the current situation, should be the Tupolev Design Bureau's PAK DA project the program was ultimately selected, but the initial data has been some significant changes have taken place.
    [LEFT] [/LEFT]

    Allegedly, PAK DA's maximum takeoff weight of up to 125 tons, with a supersonic cruise capability, maximum flight speed of Mach 1.5 to 2, aircraft thrust-weight ratio is 0.5. On this basis, the PAK DA twin engines of the single thrust of about 31,000 kgf. But the problem is that Russia has no such level of engine thrust, so some people speculated, PAK DA may be installed on four sets 117S engine (for the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA) an improved version of that engine thrust for a single 15.5 thousand kilograms force. The advantage of improved use of 117S, the future PAK DA and the PAK FA's power plant will have a very high versatility.


    117S engine when installed on the Su--35 fuel consumption of 1.25 kg / km, if the PAK DA with good aerodynamic shape and new technologies, 117S engine's fuel consumption is expected to drop to 1 kg / km, so that installation of four Taiwan 117S engine improved version of the PAK DA implementation of the 12,500 km journey, when the strategic bombing mission to carry only 50 tons of aviation fuel.

    Weapons, PAK DA might carry KH-101 cruise missiles or conventional strategy of KH-102 strategic nuclear cruise missiles. KH-101 full-weight 2200 ~ 2400 kg, warhead weight 400 kg, a maximum range of 5000 ~ 5500 km.

    Source: http://www.whnews.cn/news/2010-01/19...nt_1554162.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingfish View Post
    Thanks guys for sharing that info.
    I'm not sure if I saw this pic here or not.Sorry if repost.
    I believe this is an Indian wind tunnel model.
    Thanks for posting this...I have already posted this image and others on this thread and have said that it looks too much like all the renders we see over here and on the net! but nobody has caught on to it.

    thanks for bringing this up and be ready for everyone in this thread to literally ignore your post like they did mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyko_Borisov View Post
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    “The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.
    Hmm, they switched from "this year" to "this months" promises, despite only 12 days remaining. Well, they should start making money with bets and organize a jackpot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MZKT View Post
    Hmm, they switched from "this year" to "this months" promises, despite only 12 days remaining. Well, they should start making money with bets and organize a jackpot.
    What contribution would this be to the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptMorgan68 View Post
    PAK DA to use PAK FA engines



    This possible look of PAKDA was published in "China National Aero"

    Here is google translation from Chinese to English:

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    Russia's next-generation bomber project's official name is "the future of long-range aviation system," (PAK DA), and closely watched the fifth-generation fighter, "the future of front-line aviation system," (PAK FA), compared, PAK DA obscurity once seemed, while the end of last year This news makes it a focus of international attention.

    As the public information on the PAK DA is very rare, its true face can make a rough guess.

    Development History
    Is also the 20th century, 90 years, when the Russian Air Force commander Deinekin hope that a new, cheaper to replace the map-22M bombers and Figure -160. He said: "multi-purpose medium bombers to the strategic bomber would be a great impact, because they are more expensive and relatively difficult to detect." Perhaps he refers to "project 54S" bombers. The research project stalled in 1991, and in the economic situation is very bad attempt to re-launched in 1994. To be fair, this is indeed a kind of revolutionary bombers, but it can not completely replace the map's position and role of the -160.

    In 1999, Russia's new bomber design work started, the purpose is to replace the existing map-95MS and Figure -160, but the plans have been unrealistic to hope to use medium bomber to replace the strategic bombers. According to the draft plan, the new aircraft must be completed by 2010, but the problem is simply impossible at this time there is sufficient 20-ton thrust of the AL-41F engines.


    "Medium-range bomber," the word in the present conditions, it is difficult to understand: It is SO -34? Or Fig-22M? Or something in between a plane? In the past, the word is very clear: Figure -16, Figure -22, Figure-22M and the United States B-58 are medium-range bombers. "Remote" is defined as the range of 7,000 kilometers. The "long-range strategic flights" refers to the flight of at least 12,000 km. Fig -160 has a range up to 14,000 km.

    It is estimated that, PAK DA can use the existing map-22M bases and runways. Flight time is about 2015 ~ 2021, the 2027 production of 100 or so, an annual output of 10 ~ 12, or 1 per month.
    [LEFT]
    [/LEFT]

    Allegedly, PAK DA will continue for a diagram of the -160 design ideas, which means it is unlikely similar to the U.S. B-2 stealth bomber. With the B-2 stealth bomber, similar to the Russian project in the 20th century, the mid-90s has been suspended.

    Later PAK DA project, the MiG design bureau, Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Tupolev Design Bureau have put forward their own programs, including the MiG design bureau of the program is a hypersonic bomber, the Sukhoi Design Bureau The program is based on an existing design, while the Tupolev Design Bureau hopes to continue to significantly improve the map-22M, the development of a 50-ton twin variable-geometry wing bomber, size is about half the figure -160. Judging from the current situation, should be the Tupolev Design Bureau's PAK DA project the program was ultimately selected, but the initial data has been some significant changes have taken place.
    [LEFT] [/LEFT]

    Allegedly, PAK DA's maximum takeoff weight of up to 125 tons, with a supersonic cruise capability, maximum flight speed of Mach 1.5 to 2, aircraft thrust-weight ratio is 0.5. On this basis, the PAK DA twin engines of the single thrust of about 31,000 kgf. But the problem is that Russia has no such level of engine thrust, so some people speculated, PAK DA may be installed on four sets 117S engine (for the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA) an improved version of that engine thrust for a single 15.5 thousand kilograms force. The advantage of improved use of 117S, the future PAK DA and the PAK FA's power plant will have a very high versatility.


    117S engine when installed on the Su--35 fuel consumption of 1.25 kg / km, if the PAK DA with good aerodynamic shape and new technologies, 117S engine's fuel consumption is expected to drop to 1 kg / km, so that installation of four Taiwan 117S engine improved version of the PAK DA implementation of the 12,500 km journey, when the strategic bombing mission to carry only 50 tons of aviation fuel.

    Weapons, PAK DA might carry KH-101 cruise missiles or conventional strategy of KH-102 strategic nuclear cruise missiles. KH-101 full-weight 2200 ~ 2400 kg, warhead weight 400 kg, a maximum range of 5000 ~ 5500 km.

    Source: http://www.whnews.cn/news/2010-01/19...nt_1554162.htm
    Ugh, the PAK-DA is a decade away from completion at best and only recently has been granted government funding (at least publicly). There is no way these people have any idea of what it might look like or its performance characteristics, or even if it will be a subsonic stealth bomber or a supersonic bomber. In terms of engines, using the 117S is pure speculation, they may as well just go with a modernised NK-32 variant (245kN of thrust each).

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    The rumor has it - this Sunday....
    And another rumor states that it is rather conventional looking aircraft.
    Granted it is not about looks but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRA View Post
    The rumor has it - this Sunday....
    And another rumor states that it is rather conventional looking aircraft.
    Granted it is not about looks but still...
    Thats what i have always been saying. My bet is still that it will look like a Su-27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoshi View Post
    Thats what i have always been saying. My bet is still that it will look like a Su-27.
    Its what you've always been saying with zero basis/credibility since neither you nor anybody here has any idea whatsoever what it will look like except for the obvious. I predict that it will look like an aeroplane, it will have wings, a canopy, a pair of rudders, a pair of engines, and almost certainly an internal weapons bay. Beyond this everything is pure speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRA View Post
    The rumor has it - this Sunday....
    And another rumor states that it is rather conventional looking aircraft.
    Granted it is not about looks but still...
    Where did you find that? No one even discussing it at sukhoi and paralay.

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    Maybe it has morphing capabilities. It will morph into anything you want.

    I hope it is a capable aircraft that will not cost $100 million per piece like the JSF. Also I hope it will be built in sufficient numbers as Russian airforce needs it.

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