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    Both of you don't care to read previous posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ult View Post
    Both of you don't care to read previous posts?
    You didnt read mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ult View Post
    Both of you don't care to read previous posts?
    I did read, and read about it yesterday. Was just curious where the Russian delegation was when the picture was taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakfast in Vegas View Post
    I did read, and read about it yesterday. Was just curious where the Russian delegation was when the picture was taken.
    Copy of my post with google translate.
    Russia military delegation started a visit to France
    14.12.09 14:24 Army, defense industry, intelligence
    Monday began a visit to France, Russia's military delegation headed by the Chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia - First Deputy Defense Minister Army General Nikolai Makarov

    During the visit, the head of Russia's General Staff will meet with his French counterpart - Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of the French Army General Jean-Louis Zhorzhelenom Chief of General Armaments Department of Defense of France, Laurent Collet-Biyonom, other representatives of the French Defense Ministry. The meeting will discuss issues of further development and deepening of cooperation between the two countries in military field.

    In accordance with the plans to visit Makarov acquainted with a number of military facilities and institutions - the military school, the Center for planning and managing operations of the Armed Forces of France, the Command of Air Operations and Air Defense Air Force in France.

    Chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces will also visit the Saint-Dizier airbase, where he will be a presentation of the fighter-bomber Rafale, will be present at the command post exercises Headquarters 9 Brigade bronekavaleriyskoy Marine Land Forces in France.
    Quote Originally Posted by metberkut View Post
    You didnt read mine.
    I did. And as far as I can tell you weren't discussing this obvious fake after that?

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    Gotcha, thanks.

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    so that must be Rafale simulator. some dude took photos of him trying it out.







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    It wasn't a bad guess though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon PhoeniX View Post
    New picture surfaced, no one is really sure what it is though, some say it could be a simulator, others say it could be T-50.



    http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic....d=a&start=2550
    Hi Guys,

    I am not russian, so i am going to ask a silly question, I can see some officers in blue, and some others in green, are the both Russians ?

    Regarding the picture, I think it is a simulator, as you can see just beside the guy getting on board, there is a big RGB projector, which is used to transmit the picture on the sceens.

    But I don't know if its the rafale or not

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by strategist View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am not russian, so i am going to ask a silly question, I can see some officers in blue, and some others in green, are the both Russians ?
    Yes. Blue uniforms were (re-)introduced, then partly replaced by olive green for every-day uniform with blue lining etc.
    At present, air force top officers and flight crews still wear blue uniforms, air defense, space forces and other air force personnel wear olive green.

    Regarding the picture, I think it is a simulator
    But I don't know if its the rafale or not
    Thanks
    It's definitely a sim., it's definitely not a T-50/Su-50/PAK FA sim, and most likely it's a Rafale sim.
    Could be a "italian" Yak-130 (i.e. the Aermacchi version) as well, but I'll bet on a Rafale.
    PS: for those who still wonder if it's the PAK FA, ask yourself what does a Martin Baker ejseat do on a Russian plane.

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    It is a rafale sim...Obvious when you know rafale cockpit.

    Besides it is written "RAFALE" on the sims and the left screen shows a rafale with available armament.

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    [SIZE=5]PAK-FA will fly this month![/SIZE]

    DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

    The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

    “The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

    The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

    “The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

    “The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.

    The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

    Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.


    http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=766

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyko_Borisov View Post
    [SIZE=5]PAK-FA will fly this month![/SIZE]

    DATELINE: KOMSOMOLSK-ON-AMUR Jan 18

    The prospective fighter jet will make its maiden flight soon, a source in Komsomolsk-on-Amur told Interfax-AVN on Monday.

    “The date of the maiden flight of the fifth-generation fighter jet will be named this week. The flight will take place in January,” he said.

    The Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation plant is intensively testing the plane on the ground, he said.

    “The jet has had a number of runway trials, which tested the engines, brakes and the control systems,” the source said.

    “The runway trials were successful, which gave us hope for making the maiden flight on time,” he said.

    The new jet of the Sukhoi company will be an intellectual product with multiple functions, capacity to destroy air-and land-based targets at anytime of the day and under any weather conditions, super- maneuverability, optical, infra-red and radar stealth and ability to take off and land from runways of 300-400 meters.

    Experts claims the plane will make long flights at supersonic speeds with multiple refueling in the air. It will carry new electronic systems and have a highly automatic flight control network.


    http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=766
    No way... I'm salivating at the prospect of finally seeing PAK FA

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    Finally!

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    PAK DA to use PAK FA engines



    This possible look of PAKDA was published in "China National Aero"

    Here is google translation from Chinese to English:

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    According to "China's aviation newspaper" reported: end of 2009, Russian media reported that the Russian Tupolev company intends to 2017 years ago at a new strategic bomber development work so that in 2020 ~ 2025, production volumes. According to plan, Tupolev company should be completed in 2012, scientific research work in order to balance the transition to a pilot phase of design work. 2017 years ago, needed to create the body, 2020 ~ 2025 airborne equipment to be manufactured.

    Russia's next-generation bomber project's official name is "the future of long-range aviation system," (PAK DA), and closely watched the fifth-generation fighter, "the future of front-line aviation system," (PAK FA), compared, PAK DA obscurity once seemed, while the end of last year This news makes it a focus of international attention.

    As the public information on the PAK DA is very rare, its true face can make a rough guess.

    Development History
    Is also the 20th century, 90 years, when the Russian Air Force commander Deinekin hope that a new, cheaper to replace the map-22M bombers and Figure -160. He said: "multi-purpose medium bombers to the strategic bomber would be a great impact, because they are more expensive and relatively difficult to detect." Perhaps he refers to "project 54S" bombers. The research project stalled in 1991, and in the economic situation is very bad attempt to re-launched in 1994. To be fair, this is indeed a kind of revolutionary bombers, but it can not completely replace the map's position and role of the -160.

    In 1999, Russia's new bomber design work started, the purpose is to replace the existing map-95MS and Figure -160, but the plans have been unrealistic to hope to use medium bomber to replace the strategic bombers. According to the draft plan, the new aircraft must be completed by 2010, but the problem is simply impossible at this time there is sufficient 20-ton thrust of the AL-41F engines.


    "Medium-range bomber," the word in the present conditions, it is difficult to understand: It is SO -34? Or Fig-22M? Or something in between a plane? In the past, the word is very clear: Figure -16, Figure -22, Figure-22M and the United States B-58 are medium-range bombers. "Remote" is defined as the range of 7,000 kilometers. The "long-range strategic flights" refers to the flight of at least 12,000 km. Fig -160 has a range up to 14,000 km.

    It is estimated that, PAK DA can use the existing map-22M bases and runways. Flight time is about 2015 ~ 2021, the 2027 production of 100 or so, an annual output of 10 ~ 12, or 1 per month.
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    Allegedly, PAK DA will continue for a diagram of the -160 design ideas, which means it is unlikely similar to the U.S. B-2 stealth bomber. With the B-2 stealth bomber, similar to the Russian project in the 20th century, the mid-90s has been suspended.

    Later PAK DA project, the MiG design bureau, Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Tupolev Design Bureau have put forward their own programs, including the MiG design bureau of the program is a hypersonic bomber, the Sukhoi Design Bureau The program is based on an existing design, while the Tupolev Design Bureau hopes to continue to significantly improve the map-22M, the development of a 50-ton twin variable-geometry wing bomber, size is about half the figure -160. Judging from the current situation, should be the Tupolev Design Bureau's PAK DA project the program was ultimately selected, but the initial data has been some significant changes have taken place.
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    Allegedly, PAK DA's maximum takeoff weight of up to 125 tons, with a supersonic cruise capability, maximum flight speed of Mach 1.5 to 2, aircraft thrust-weight ratio is 0.5. On this basis, the PAK DA twin engines of the single thrust of about 31,000 kgf. But the problem is that Russia has no such level of engine thrust, so some people speculated, PAK DA may be installed on four sets 117S engine (for the fifth-generation fighter PAK FA) an improved version of that engine thrust for a single 15.5 thousand kilograms force. The advantage of improved use of 117S, the future PAK DA and the PAK FA's power plant will have a very high versatility.


    117S engine when installed on the Su--35 fuel consumption of 1.25 kg / km, if the PAK DA with good aerodynamic shape and new technologies, 117S engine's fuel consumption is expected to drop to 1 kg / km, so that installation of four Taiwan 117S engine improved version of the PAK DA implementation of the 12,500 km journey, when the strategic bombing mission to carry only 50 tons of aviation fuel.

    Weapons, PAK DA might carry KH-101 cruise missiles or conventional strategy of KH-102 strategic nuclear cruise missiles. KH-101 full-weight 2200 ~ 2400 kg, warhead weight 400 kg, a maximum range of 5000 ~ 5500 km.

    Source: http://www.whnews.cn/news/2010-01/19...nt_1554162.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingfish View Post
    Thanks guys for sharing that info.
    I'm not sure if I saw this pic here or not.Sorry if repost.
    I believe this is an Indian wind tunnel model.
    Thanks for posting this...I have already posted this image and others on this thread and have said that it looks too much like all the renders we see over here and on the net! but nobody has caught on to it.

    thanks for bringing this up and be ready for everyone in this thread to literally ignore your post like they did mine.

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