Reply With QuoteMetberkut, that is a very nice picture. Are there any more pictures available or is it just a waiting game?
Check his profile and go from thereOriginally Posted by C.Puffs
. And i agree on last part.
PS: And nice side profile:
http://russianplanes.net/id79836
Last edited by metberkut; 06-21-2012 at 04:18 PM.
Metberkut, that is a very nice picture. Are there any more pictures available or is it just a waiting game?
Well, in just matter of hours there has been posted 7 pictures of it in flight, that is not bad imho. Here is more in case you missed:
http://www.take-off.ru/news/117-news...-t50-3-06-2012
Which "general consensus", on Forums?
It's because the "general concensus" is based on what they have seen ("learned") from the F-22. If you know one thing only one way and have the reasoning behind it explained to you, you will think that that is the only right way. It is/was/would be the same thing with everything, if you only knew cars from the 30s you would think that that is the only right way to design a car. If you only knew cars from the 50s you would think that that is the best way. Same for the 90s. If you only knew Off-Road cars, you would think that that is the only right way. etc etc..
Seriously, the Russian engineers and aircraft designers are not stupid, and are certainly more experienced and knowledgable on stealth aircraft design than all of the forum-people on keypublishing/defence.pk/sinodefence/milphotosnet/etc combined. They have decades of research in that field. They know what they are doing, it wouldn't be hard for them to copy the F-22/F-35 as much as possible (see J-20) because they don't know any better and just copy the design philosophy that someone else has found to be effective in achieving the given goal, or to in the end of their research come out with the same general shape if that would be the only/best way design a VLO fighter jet for their requirements, but they have reasons for doing it the way they do. Keep in mind, that air forces are meant to be a strategical asset in war and actually carry out tasks and do something, they are not fought by two generals meeting with a set of these cards and going "My turn...thrust to weight" - "0.98:1" - "1.0:1 I win...next pick...RCS..." - "Golfball" - "Metal marble, I win..." ...The F-22 and F-35 are great for the missions and uses they are intended for, so is the J-20, and I believe that the Pak-Fa will, too, be good for the missions it is supposed to achieve.
You have a good point, Hyde.
One more thing to add is that Russians have a bit different philosophy than Americans. What i mean by that is that they like having stand off weapons with good range, MiG-31 case in point. It has huge radar which is still very powerful and is able to fire missiles at long distances. Guess what plane has the longest air to air kill? MiG-31M + R-37. I feel Russians has somewhat got same route on PAK FA with having a very powerful radar and "big stick" weapons developed for it. F-22 lacks both of those things, but it was designed to be more "close and personal" and for that it needs lowest possible RCS. You don't need lowest possible RCS if you are able to fire a missile and score a hit from 250km +, for F-22 that is different.
Thank you very much dear Metberkut for supplying me with that link.
I am far from an Air Warfare expert, though my Father has worked for decades in aerospace (gas turbine engines particulary), I would ask though again how much is the addition of an abundance (and highly trained/experienced) AWACs going to actually facilitate US Air Power to offset what you are stating as the US Strengths/Weaknesses vs Russian Strengths/Weaknesses (Also I apologise if my sentence is indecipherable, I have been drinking now so..........)
i think he's an aerospace engineer,pretty knowledgeable on aerodinamics.I recall he said once on keypub thats he used to work both on McDonnel D and Gen.Dynamics military projects
FTFY.
Seriously now, everybody else has as much of a clue about the plane's characteristics as the rest of us. And to be honest, russians have always been able to achieve similar results to the their western counterparts through different solutions.
It is.For me anyway. :P
No problem. Also, if you copy address of the link and open in a new tab it will be much bigger.
FTFY.
If C.Puff hates keypublishing he's opinion about F16.net wouldn't be more positive.
And IMO - you are just regurgitating garbage you've read elsewhere, hoping that it is true.
What is wrong with what he is saying really? Same thing applies to F-22.
at least Russian pilots get to breathe inside their airplanes - I know - it's an old concept but a nice to have feature none the less
remember F-22 is obsolete according to the US govt. to compare new Aircraft with Obsolete seem pointless.
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