Reply With QuoteI guess that she was really very surprisedOriginally Posted by Steve Andrews
Cheers!
We have a lot of Polish workers in Jersey at the moment. One night when I was out - and very drunk - I thanked a Polish girl who was working in the chip shop for everything that the Poles did at Monte Cassino.
That's beer for you!!
I guess that she was really very surprised
Cheers!
Re: GROM
>1991 - GROM operators manages to get out six CIA-agents out of Iraq >during the "Desert Storm".
well.. that is not true. It was the polish military inteligence and surely not GROM, which by that time was only a scratch of AT unit.
>1992 - ,,Macierewicz briefcases" affair (escorting duty during political >problems in Poland)
HUGE operationmaybe 10 operators and couple of armoured land rovers. don't mention it
>1992 - Assault on residence and arrest of one of the bosses of Art B >(Another great political and economic scandal)
neither big scandal (enron was a big scandal
>1992-93 - Actions against Russian Mafia in Poland (details unknown , but the operation was stopped by the Polish authorities, allegdly because of GROM's overzealous approach to the former KGB agents that turned into mob after the Soviet collaps)
I want comment on that except of saying that somebody was taken by UFO and after this semi pleasant experience must have felt ready to invent such crap
>1994 - Operation ,,Restore Democracy" on Haiti The unit saw quite a bit of action during the savage riots.
well.. thats true.
>1996 - UNTAES mission in Eastern Slavonia (arrest of Slavko Dokmanowic - they have since manged to arrest at least six more yugoslavian war-criminals)
True.
>1996 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia
True.
>1999 - Bodyguard duties during US ambassador W.G Walker's mission in Kosovo and Macedonia. Also they were (inofficially)reported to operate behind Yugoslavian lines to identyfy artillery fire targets etc.
couple of facts. NATO artillery havent fired a single shot. It can be presumed that brits and yanks were deep in kosovo especially when it turned out that airpower cannot see through tree cover :P. Secondly there was i think a AFP agency tape, on which a local KLA commander thanked british and polish SF soldiers for their help. That was before KFOR entered the province and one must wonder what soldiers were those
>2000 - Unknown mission in Northern Ireland
strongly doubt it.
2001 - Hunt for war criminals in Kosovo
no idea but possible.
>2001 - Recon mission in Afghanistan before the arrival of Polish troops
>2002 - Mission in Afghanistan (VIP bodyguarding and base protecting duties)
yeah. both AFAIK are true.
>2002 - Mission in Persian Gulf. At the beginning of September, some GROM members were seen training on US ships near Bahraim coast.
that was the GROM's boat troop.
>2003 - GROM soldiers take part in anti-Iraq operation
we hardly know what GROM did in iraq (except for the boat troop in reality probably fewer then 16 people).. we dont know what they did inside iraq... btw. have you seen data about designated targets for airpower? Task Force 20 must have been bloody busy doing their work (SF in western iraq are counted separately)
Known operations in which GROM possibly took part:
>1994 - Rescue of four Polish engineers taken hostages in Angola
no idea. strongly doubt it
>1995 - Rescue of two Polish officers taken hostages and used as live shields by Bosnian Serbs near Sarajevo
GROM planned for the operation but those officers were freed by the serbs with other UN official held hostage at the time. There was no direct action to free them.
>1997 - Arrest of Polish prime minister Jozef Oleksy
UFO again? Oleksy was never arrested and thus i can say that GROM had no involvement with his arrest
>1998 - Rescue of five Poles taken hostages in Chechnya in the Caucasus
b******
take care
More than 1000 Polish soldiers are buried in the War Cemetery located on mount Cairo across from the abbey. A white marble obelisk was raised in their remembrance. It bears an inscription which reads: "We, Polish soldiers have given our bodies to Italy, our hearts to Poland and our souls to God for our own freedom and for the freedom of others."
Canada has never had to fight for there own freedom? WTF are you talking about, Canada fought for there independence through words and speech against the British not through conflict. WWII your telling me that wasnt for freedom?ESCOBAR: sorry, mate, you got me wrong. I never ment to say, that Canadians and Australians haven't ever gone to some war; the only thing on my mind was that, the've never had to fight for their own freedom. But of course I am aware of the fact, that they took part of many other wars - Aussies in Gallipolli for instance, but, once again, I had wars for own freedom on my mind. Never underestimating countries and people that die for some other country and people.
Hello friends!!
I`m freshman at that forum, so let me introduce myself. My name is Krzysztof, but English-speaking people can call me Chris. I`m 26 y.o. fan of firearms and camouflage, as well as i`m interested in military planes and SF of the world.
Cpl. Roland: the matter of misunderstanding is that Canadians had never had to fight on Canadian soil for freedom of Canada. Ok, there were wars between England and French in 18th century, there were wars with Indians, there was even war with USA in 1812... but as far I had learned in school, Canada was established in 1867, as a federation of territories.
Nobody says that Canadians had not fought for freedom - but their fight took place in Europe, Asia, Africa. We all know and appreciate the attack at Dieppe, then during D-Day; and we know about Canadian squadrons in RAF. Moreover, Poles and Canadians fought arm-by-arm in France, taking Falaise, and Polish pilots learned to fly in Canadian schools.
But, as everyone knows, Canada was occupied neither by Germans, nor by Japanees, nor by Italians. There were no resistance movement in Canada, and there were no Konzetration Lagers in Ontario or Manitoba. Canadians fougt for freedom of many countries, because they did not want to fight for freedom of Canada - IN Canada.
And that`s why Polish and Australian soldiers, side-by-side with Americans and Brits, fight for freedom of Iraq - IN Iraq.
God bless all of Them.
P.S. I ask Brits, Canadians, Americans, Aussies and Kiwis to correct any mistake I would make due to my English competence.
Ya your right Chris glad somebody know's something, but you forgot to add what they did in WWI such as in Vimy, the Somme etc.
Yes, Cpl. Roldan, I also did not write about Korean War, about some Canadians in Vietnam, about combined US-Canadian SF group during WWII... Well, we talk here about GROM and Polish armed forces...
I hope, You and the other Canadian "military morons" will start topic about Canadian SF and army, and I`m quite sure there is many people that would read sth interesting `bout 1st Airborne Regiment, for example...
According to Steve`s post... We, Poles, consider Mte Cassino in the same way as you, Americans, especially Marines, consider Iwo Jima... Now you know... Polish soldiers, from mechanized cavalry, and American Marines, gave the same tribute of blood and lives... That we may live in peace...
Wieczne odpoczywanie racz im dać, Panie, a światłość wiekuista niechaj Im świeci...
Thanks for sharing the pictures REMOV. Am sure you all ready figured out that poster is a goof ball. There is a gallery now up of joint SEAL and GROM units in Iraq:
http://media.militaryphotos.net/phot...al_Forces_GROM
Oh yeah, almost forgot, where are the Beryl rifles?
Bery rifles... oh,yes, our soldiers took them to Iraq... I`ve heard that they are to bury those junks deep in the desert...
Pardon, what? Have you ever touch kbs Beryl or shoot single bullet from it? It's just a question...
GROM like majority of SF Units uses US assault rifles (and a few German and Swiss models) i.e. M4A1. Among other things to simplify logistic for international operations.
I have never shot with Beryl rifle, but I know it quite good. In my opinion, it would be good gun in the `80 (do you remember those years, fellows?), but it is obsolescent at the moment.
First of all, I think that someone was given a bribe (from whom??) and made the worst selector/safety device ever. Long time ago, there was Polish rifle named Tantal. This rifle was Polish answer for AK-74, but with the stock copied from EGerman`s MPis, with Polish muzzle brake and 1-3-Full Auto selector. SEPARATED from safety... well-know, AK-style lever was saved as safety device, and selector was transfered on the left side of the receiver.
Tantal went into service, but Poland started applying to NATO. Some drawbacks of Tantal were clearly seen, and we had to accept 5,56 mm round, so there was a good moment to do a serious modification of service rifle. The "serious" mods meant the change of stock, applying new handguard and grip, new flash hider... and that`s all... Le Tantal est mort, vive le Beryl.
Stock is much, much better than Tantal`s one, but I think, that it should be covered with plastic tube or rubber foam, to protect from hot (in Afganistan and Iraq) or cold (winter in Poland is sometimes really severe).
I wonder why we did not adapt Beryl to be fed from M-16 magazines. It would help our soldiers that fight or serve arm-by-arm with American, Brits, Canadians, Dutch, Dannish and soldiers from many more countries. It would also increase export chances.
The other thing that is strange, is a sight. The U-notch, slide and ramp, scaled 100-1000 by 100 meters. I would like to know if there is at least one soldier in Poland that can hit the target from 1000 meters. In my opinion, the flip aperture scaled at 200 and 400 meters would be the best, although the main advantage of the notch is the easiness of cleaning after crawling in mud.
And the worst is selector/safety. The same as in Tantal... You are patrolling a hostile terrain, and suddenlu you are under attack... Your gun is on "safe"; with M-16, FNC, G-36, AUG, ..., it`s one move of finger to change mode into "fire", with Beryl, you have to let the grip fall, lower the lever, catch the grip again and then you can fire... unless you are dead... I wonder if we could not imitate at least safety/selector from Galil...
That`s why I consider Beryl as a junk.
I WILL CONTINUE, DON`T ANSWER THIS POST, PLEASE.
Canada never fought for its own freedom???
Wake up kids... and you other Canadians on this board should ALL know this...
There is a little nation to the South that tried taking us over... and it was the Militia of Canadians that rose up (in conjunction with the Brits) and drove them back ot the border... and then kept on going...
AFTER BURNING THE WHITE HOUSE to the ground, they returned to the pre war borders...
Now that I have mentioned this... you all can start searching the net for the history on this...
Jeeze.... WAY TOO many people on this board that have NO IDEA of what they are taking about, and do NOT do any research before opening their mouths!!
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