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    Remov,

    Thank you for the insight.

    The Bullpup could be interesting from a design point of view - looks like it could have ambi' ejection ports ? No doubt alot will happen to all aspects of both designs over the next 12 months - please keep us in the loop.


    Keep going Poland ! and best of luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJB View Post
    The Bullpup could be interesting from a design point of view - looks like it could have ambi' ejection ports?
    That's right. The user can set the bolt of the assault rifle in two positions to throw the spend cases away on the left or right side of the weapon. The operation is simple, and takes no more than 30 seconds, with the rifle field stripped.







    The length of the standard MSBS-5,56 B01 bullpup design assault rifle compare to the wz. 96 Mini Beryl carbine

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    Interesting, I think the classic layout has little to offer over current designs such as FN SCAR , ARX160 & CZ s 805 . The bullpup however has design 'legs' and could lead to some thing good....will be an interesting 12 months following this...

    Thanks again Remov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amethystfretchen View Post
    I remember first internet-comments about G36. It was the same blabla as one can read here.
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    remember first internet-comments about G36. It was the same blabla as one can read here.
    - golden words! G36 had so much of it, but these days it is without doubt in my mind- the very best/universal rifle! Do hope reliability and quality is going to be to match HK and then- vuolia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktk.ace View Post
    Hows the cheek weld on the bullpup?

    Cuz in the normal config , the cheek weld is an easy part swap, but not on most bullpups.


    Cheekweld is ok, the reciever rail needs to be higher, and the retarded "add-on rail" is to be get rid of. At the current stage B/P version is much more handy and balanced than the classic with all the sh*t on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post


    Cheekweld is ok, the reciever rail needs to be higher, and the retarded "add-on rail" is to be get rid of. At the current stage B/P version is much more handy and balanced than the classic with all the sh*t on.
    THANKS!

    cuz from the pics, it looks like a P90's angular and not so comfy weld.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REMOV View Post
    That's right. The user can set the bolt of the assault rifle in two positions to throw the spend cases away on the left or right side of the weapon. The operation is simple, and takes no more than 30 seconds, with the rifle field stripped.







    The length of the standard MSBS-5,56 B01 bullpup design assault rifle compare to the wz. 96 Mini Beryl carbine
    are those P-mags ?

    if so, the polands have good taste.

    PS. thats ONE BIG GAS REULATOR KNOB !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktk.ace View Post
    are those P-mags?
    G-Mags 30, which are German version of the Magpul's P-Mags 30.

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    So much potential. And... they make another SCAR clone..

    It doesn't really offer anything an existing commercially available rifle does, what's the point? Why waste money into research that has already been done by others?

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    Well I didn't know you can turn SCAR into a bullpup...

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    I was going to say the Bullpup version is indeed interesting and actually IMO visually pleasing.

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    I don't think anyone is considering the bullpup layout these days, it's a residual concept from the 50s that achieved great popularity in the 70s and is now almost totally abandoned by the major gun designers.

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    Exactly my thoughts. Polish Army and bull-pup? No way. It's just another academic exercise to pull some public money from the bag.

    Besides this gas regulator is really HUGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koalorka View Post
    I don't think anyone is considering the bullpup layout these days, it's a residual concept from the 50s that achieved great popularity in the 70s and is now almost totally abandoned by the major gun designers.
    I am afraid I cannot agree with your ekhm... "analysis", based on your reflections not on informations from the real world. First, the idea of bullpup rifles comes from 1900s, not 1950s, second the introduction of bullpups to the world armies are 1980s, not 1970s, third the "almost totally abandoned by major gun designers" thing is completly false.

    Today top bestseller assault rifle is Israeli Tavor TAR-21 in bullpup design (check the list of recent users), the bullpups are produced by major firearms manufacturers like FN (F2000) or Steyr-Mannlicher (AUG, which is ancestor of all modern modular designs with exchangeable barrels).

    The latest reports from Afghanistan shows clearly that the army using the 5,56 mm assault rifles in such mountain/desert enviroment wanted the longest barrel available with the shorter overall length possible (or the different intermediate ammunition, which is rather impossible), the feature that only bullpups can achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REMOV View Post
    ... Tavor TAR-21 in bullpup design (check the list of recent users)...
    Done. I additionally compared it against the list of recent G36 users.

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