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    Quote Originally Posted by navybrook View Post
    Here are a few Vigilante (Viggies to us old salts) photos from that
    '71-'72 Med cruise. Speaking of Sea Stories, when one of our Viggies made one of those supersonic passes over the ship, they dumped fuel out
    the fuel drain in the a/c tail. It made a nice flame trail. Unfortunately the vacuum behind the a/c sucked some fuel and flame into the rear bay. It smoked the rear end pretty good and us electricians spent several days back in that rear bay repairing the wiring that was cooked.
    Ahh yes..the Viggie.. So cool looking..so maintenance intensive!

    Things I remember about the '71-'72 MED cruise on the JFK....

    I got there on March 24th 1972 the ship was in Rhodes Greece. A great port. I did miss port calls at Naples, Thessalonika & Corfu Greece..

    We hit a lot of ports in the MED.
    Rhodes, Athens (twice), Izmir, Genoa, Cannes, Malaga, Palma(4 times), Barcelona. Some place named La Madaleana in Sardina. We also anchored with no liberty at Naples, Souda Bay Crete & somewhere in Sicily..

    I remember the "gut" in Palma was off limits but that never stopped me.

    Barcelona had two guts..

    Athens had road-runners..

    We got extended on our cruise about three times..First time the America was sent to Vietnam. Then the Saratoga was sent to Vietnam. Then there was a major fire on the Forrestal, what else, in port in Norfolk...Finally the Forrestal relieved us in September. Then they sent us on a short stint to the North Atlantic to be a part of Strong Express. We were supposed to stop in Scotland. There was a vote. The skipper said it was a tie and he cast the deciding vote and we headed back to Norfolk.

    The ship was super clean. Cleanest I ever served on.

    On the aft mess decks the JFK had ice cream parlor.

    The mess decks were always open. In the lag time when aft was closed the foward mess deck was open and vice versa.

    I remember the radio station DJ on night check kept playing Bob Dillion tunes. I could not stand that DJ. Can't stand Dillion. Sings like a cat is being strangled.

    The very first day the ship went to sea when I was on board an H-2 SeaSprite helo crashed and I saw that because I was on vultures row. They called man overboard and I did not know what to do. ..So I headed to my work center..Good move.

    Movies were shown in the crews lounge almost nightly.

    We had the only shop on the ship with red tile. Ordies ya' know!

    No-rates had to wear uniforms in Spanish ports the first day or two.

    In Barcelona there was some big soccer game between Russia and Scotland..I never saw so many drunks in my life.

    I took a bus from Malaga to Tormlinias and on the way back the bus nearly crashed..more than once. The bus driver was nutso.

    We went to Cannes France and it rained every day.

    Liberty was very liberal on the JFK. But many times when when you went on liberty you better have a fresh haircut.

    On the JFK you could not wear jeans or t-shirts on liberty. Your shirt had to have a collar.

    We had a lot of visitors in port. A lot.

    The JFK was the only ship I was ever on that always had fresh milk. I think because we were frequently in port.

    The only time the B'sun whistle was blown is if the CO had something to say.

    I flew off the ship the day before we got back to Norfolk to go on emergency leave.

    The ship finally got back to pier 12 at NOB in Norfolk on October the 6th 1972. I made 6 and a half months of a 10 month and one week MED cruise.

    The cruise book sucked.Big time. I still have it in pristine condition. Not a single color picture and it's full of mistakes. I think a blind monkey with a pencil edited it..

    Back in the day. On the JFK..the Big John!.

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    My buddy's dad was a naval aviator, and he apparently did cruises on the Saratoga, Forrestal and America....pointing my friend and his dad at this thread -- they'll get a huge kick out of it.

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    Did I read somewhere that the Forrestal was nicknamed the "Forrest Fire"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    Did I read somewhere that the Forrestal was nicknamed the "Forrest Fire"?
    Yea, and "Zippo" as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    Did I read somewhere that the Forrestal was nicknamed the "Forrest Fire"?
    Ships have all sorts of knicknames. But only sailors assigned to those ships may do so...read these post from another thread.


    Originally Posted by Angelino
    Nice Ordie, but I was wondering if there were ships officially named USS Joe or USS Bob, just like the USS Hank .

    Quote:by Ordie
    That usually happens unofficially by squids over time.

    The Constapation (USS Constellation)
    Chuckie Vee (USS Carl Vinson)
    The Forest Fire (USS Forrestal)
    Danger Ranger (USS Ranger)
    Indy (USS Independence)
    Ike (USS Eisenhower)
    Dull Ass (USS Dallas)
    Stomper Gompers (Female sailors from the USS Samuel Gompers)
    And..


    by bd popeye

    Kincknames??? Oh... I have a few from back in the day!

    Oriskany= The O boat
    Bon Homme Richard = The Dirty **** or the Dirty Duck
    Hanco*k= Hand job..
    Ranger circa 1990/91 = The House of Pain.
    Forrestal= Firestall
    Saratoga= Sinkin' Sara
    Nimitz = Num-nutz or Nummie
    Franklin D Roosevelt= Filfty Dirty Rusty or the Swank Frank.
    Ranger = Top Gun of the Pacific Fleet Bar None.

    The John F Kennedy on which I served.
    The John Cool or the Slack Jack. The John Cool is direved from the dope smokin' USN back in the early 70s.

    Now some knick names are to endear a ship to it's crew..such as;

    Hanco*k= Fightin' Hanna
    Saratoga= Super Sara Or my all time favorite Big Sixty from Dixie
    Oriskany= The Mighty O
    Lake Champlain= The Champ
    John F Kennedy = The Big John
    Forrestal = FID..First in Defence
    Kitty Hawk = The Hawk
    Enterprise =The Big E
    Carl Vinsion = Starship
    Constellation = Connie
    Coral Sea = San Franciscos Own

    As an added note the only persons permitted to talk smack about a ship is a crewmember of said ship. Anyone else may have "Anchors Aweigh" played on their grille with a pair of fist

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    Did I read somewhere that the Forrestal was nicknamed the "Forrest Fire"?
    I have an uncle who served on the Forrestal during the time when the fire hit. To this day he will never discuss the incident. From the footage I've seen it was a terrible tragedy. I remember one scene where some guys were using a fire hose to dowse the flames when some ordinance on one of the aircraft exploded and engulfed them in a ball of fire. When the explosion subsided you could see the severed hose flopping around on deck, all the guys who were holding it were gone.

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    OK, if you wanted to make me feel bad for the quote, you have succeeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el borracho View Post
    I have an uncle who served on the Forrestal during the time when the fire hit. To this day he will never discuss the incident. From the footage I've seen it was a terrible tragedy. I remember one scene where some guys were using a fire hose to dowse the flames when some ordinance on one of the aircraft exploded and engulfed them in a ball of fire. When the explosion subsided you could see the severed hose flopping around on deck, all the guys who were holding it were gone.
    134 men died on the Forrestal that day. 29 July 1967. Because of that fire and the tragic loss of life the USN intensified damage control/fire fighting training for sailors. Sadly that was not enough. Another fire started in a similar manner struck Enterprise on 14 January 1969. From those experiences the USN improved ordnance safety and continued to improve fire fighting & damage control safety. Now some 40+ years later everyone on board a ship is a trained fire fighter. Everyone from Seaman Recruit to Admrial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    OK, if you wanted to make me feel bad for the quote, you have succeeded.
    Not your fault if you didn't know, mate. Basically what happened was a missile from an aircraft accidentally fired due to a malfunction. It skidded across the deck and knocked a fuel tank off the wing of another aircraft. The missile didn't detonate but the fuel leaking from the tank caused a fire immediately. The fire quickly spread and engulfed several other aircraft on deck, some of which were loaded with live ordinance as the aircraft were about to depart on a mission. This caused a chain reaction of explosions further escalating the devastation of the blaze. The fire spread to other decks and took about three hours to contain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el borracho View Post
    Not your fault if you didn't know, mate. Basically what happened was a missile from an aircraft accidentally fired due to a malfunction. It skidded across the deck and knocked a fuel tank off the wing of another aircraft. The missile didn't detonate but the fuel leaking from the tank caused a fire immediately. The fire quickly spread and engulfed several other aircraft on deck, some of which were loaded with live ordinance as the aircraft were about to depart on a mission. This caused a chain reaction of explosions further escalating the devastation of the blaze. The fire spread to other decks and took about three hours to contain.
    Excellent account^^.. And the Forrestal retired to Subic Bay RP for qiuick repairs. Next she transited back to Norfolk VA for an intensive overhaul.

    The Mighty FID never again launched her aircraft against any enemy in combat.

    FID = First In Defense. I call her the Cold War Warrior.
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    The continuing saga of the Last WESPAC of the USS Hanco*k CVA-19.

    I wrote this in a yahoo forum four years ago..


    18 March 1975 Hanna departs Pearl..

    Well now the Hanna was loaded up with 16 CH-53s of HMH-463 and their squadron of 300 airdale Marines to suppourt them. The Marines had no problem adapting to Navy life. Most had been on a "float"{cruise/deployment}as they called it. They all said the Hanna was the cleanest ship they were ever on. They said gator freighters were POS. The Hanna being a CVA affored the Marines more room than they ever had on a LPH. They were a couple of old, rusty
    crusty,dusty type SSgt/GySgt types that had been on an old straight deck 27c{Essex class carrier}...All in all the Marines adapted well to the Hanco*k.

    One of the things that HMH-463 hadda do on the way to Subic was repaint their birds with a non reflective paint. They did this on the fantail of the flight deck. The scooter{A-4 Skyhawk)types on board were afraid at first that over spray would get on their aircraft. And it did at first, But after a good respot the overspray problem was solved.

    Rumors abounded on the way to Subic. MDI(Mess Deck Intelligence) was in full effect. The rumor one was no liberty in da' PI because we were on a 24 hour notice to get underway.Another was that we were really going to Okinawa to onload Marines.

    Well traveling at a reduced speed because of engineering woes the Hanco*k would not arrive in Subic until the 6th of April. So we had plenty of time to ponder the rumor mill and what MDI was saying.

    The trip to PI was not uneventful ..as we shall see...
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    John McCain was one of the the pilot who were about to take off during the tragedy of the Forrestal... Unless wiki is lying to me. Btw greeeeat stories there bd popeye. I heard a few stories from my grandfather and his brothers who were sailors in the merchant navy during WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el borracho View Post
    Not your fault if you didn't know, mate.
    I knew there was a big fire. I didn't know that there was a vast loss of life. Glad to hear that lessons were learned afterwards, even if it had to be in such a rough manner.

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    John McCain was one of the the pilot who were about to take off during the tragedy of the Forrestal...
    True..since it has been discussed here's the official USN account of the fire on board the USS Forrestal CVA-59 on 29th of July 1967...

    http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...stal-fire.html


    From: Naval Aviation News, October 1967
    compiled and edited by Senior Chief Journalist John D. Burlage
    Full-screen images are linked from the images in the text below.

    The day was a typical one for the 5,000 officers and enlisted men of the attack aircraft carrier USS Forrestal as the huge, 80,000-ton ship cut a wake through the calm waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. It was as typical as it could be, that is, for men at war. And the men of Forrestal were definitely in combat. For the first time since their ship was commissioned in October 1955, they had been launching aircraft from her flight deck on strikes against an enemy whose coastline was only a few miles over the horizon.

    The ship in which these men served was the first U.S. carrier built from the keel up with the angled deck that enables aircraft to be launched and recovered simultaneously. For four days, the planes of Attack Carrier Air Wing 17 had been launched on, and recovered from, about 150 missions against targets in North Vietnam. On the ship's four-acre flight deck, her crewmen went about the business at hand, the business of accomplishing the second launch of the fifth day in combat.

    Overhead, the hot, tropical sun beat down from a clear sky.

    It was just about 10:50 a.m. (local time), July 29, 1967.

    The launch that was scheduled for a short time later was never made.

    This is the story of the brave men of USS Forrestal.

    It is not a story about just a few individuals. Or ten. Or twenty. Or fifty. It is the story of hundreds of officers and enlisted men who were molded by disaster into a single cohesive force determined to accomplish one mission: Save their ship and their shipmates.

    It is the story of the acts of heroism they performed-acts so commonplace, accomplished with such startling regularity, that it will be impossible to chronicle all of them. It will be impossible for a very simple reason:All of them will never be known.

    Lt. Cmdr. Robert "Bo" Browning one of the pilots due for launch with many others, he was seated in the cockpit of his fueled and armed Skyhawk; the plane was spotted way aft, to port. Lt. Cmdr. John S. McCain III said later he heard a "whooshy" sound then a "low-order explosion" in front of him. Suddenly, two A-4s ahead of his plane were engulfed in flaming jet fuel — JP-5 — spewed from them. A bomb dropped to the deck and rolled about six feet and came to rest in a pool of burning fuel.

    The awful conflagration, which was to leave 132 Forrestal crewmen dead, 62 more injured and two missing and presumed dead, had begun.

    As the searing flames, fed by the spreading JP-5, spread aft and began to eat at the aircraft spotted around the deck, Lt. Cmdr. Browning escaped from his plane. He ducked under the tails of two Skyhawks spotted alongside his and ran up the flight deck toward the island area. Twice, explosions knocked him off balance. But he made it.

    The fire soon enveloped all the aircraft in its wake. It spread to the fantail, to decks below. Bombs and ammunition were touched off in the midst of early fire-fighting efforts. Black, acrid smoke boiled into the sky. Other ships on Yankee Station sped to the aid of the stricken carrier.

    As the fuel-fed fire licked at planes, ammunition and bombs, the heroes of Forrestal rushed to avert a total disaster; some died in the process. A chief petty officer, armed only with a small fire extinguisher, ran toward the bomb that had dropped to the flight deck. He was killed when it exploded as were members of fire-fighting teams trying to wrestle fire hoses into position. Shrapnel from the explosion was thrown a reported 400 feet.

    "I saw a dozen people running . . into the fire, just before the bomb cooked off," Lt. Cmdr. Browning was quoted as saying later. He called very one of them "a hero of the first magnitude."

    That was only the beginning.

    "There was a horrendous explosion that shook 'Angel Two Zero.' It seemed as if the whole stern of the Forrestal had erupted. Suddenly there were rafts, fuel tanks, oxygen tanks, trop tanks and debris of every description floating in the water below."

    The description is from Lt. David Clement, pilot of a rescue helicopter from the carrier USS Oriskany (CV 34), who had been asked to fly plane guard for Forrestal after completing a flight to that carrier. Soon, he and his crew — Ens. Leonard M. Eiland, Jr., Aviation Machinist's Mate (Jets) 3rd Class James D. James, Jr., and Airman Albert E. Barrows — would be on a far different mission. They would be rescuing Forrestal crewmen who jumped, fell or were knocked from the carrier — no less than five times within an hour. Later, they would be shuttling medical supplies to the stricken ship. The continuing explosions on Forrestal's flight deck would rock their helo, leaving the ship's aft end, in Lt. Clement's words, "a mass of twisted steel, with holes in the flight deck, a vacant space where there had been many aircraft and a towering column of black and gray smoke and flames."

    At 11:47 A.M., Forrestal reported the flight deck fire was under control.

    At 12:15, the ship sent word that the flight deck fire was out.

    At 12:45, stubborn fires remained on the 01 and 02 levels and in hangar bay three. All available COD (Carrier Onboard Delivery) aircraft were being sent to the carriers Oriskany and USS Bon Homme Richard (CV 31) to be swiftly rigged with litters medical evacuation.

    There will be stories told of the brave men of Forrestal for years to come. These are only a few examples:

    • Ltjg. Robert Cates, the carrier's explosive ordnance demolition officer, calmly recounted later how he had "noticed that there was a 500-pound bomb and a 750-pound bomb in the middle of the flight deck . . . that were still smoking. They hadn't detonated or anything; they were just setting there smoking. So I went up and defused them and had them jettisoned."

    • Ltjg. Cates also told how one of his men, whom he named only as Black, volunteered to be lowered by line through a hole in the flight deck to defuse a live bomb that had dropped to the 03 level — even though the compartment was still on fire and full of smoke. Black did the job; later, Ltjg. Cates had himself lowered into the compartment to attach a line to the bomb so it could be jettisoned.

    • This too from Cates: "We [Black and himself] started picking up everything we could find that had explosives in it and started throwing them over the side. Some squadron pilots came up to me as we went aft — I don't know who they were — [and] helped me take a Sidewinder missile off a burning F-4. We just continued working our way aft and taking what ordnance we found off aircraft and throwing it over the side."

    • Two Forrestal flight deck crewmen, reports said, were knocked overboard by one of the explosions, fell 70 feet into the water, were picked up by a rescue helicopter and deposited back on the flight deck — and resumed fire fighting at once.

    • One man in a crash crew forklift vehicle, with only one hose playing water on him, tried to get rid of a burning plane by ramming it repeatedly. The plane was jettisoned.

    • Lt. Cmdr. Larry Forderhase, ship's catapult officer, was preparing to launch aircraft when the fire broke out. He immediately started clearing the deck of bombs and rockets before helping to move planes forward.

    • Aviation Electrician's Mate 3rd Class Bruce Mulligan, a 22-year-old VA-106 crewman, was all the way aft on the flight deck when he heard explosions. He turned, saw a "fireball" coming at him and hit the deck. Somehow, he managed to get forward and was headed for a fire hose when he was hit by shrapnel. He helped a friend with a broken leg get to sick bay, then returned to the flight deck.

    "Back aft of the island, we started throwing missiles and rockets over the side," he recounted later. "After that was done, I looked around for some of my buddies on the line crew and I could find only one. So we decided to help them fight the fire and got the fire hoses back aft and went to fight the plane fires. My buddy and I stayed back aft for I don't know how long. We got separated and some officer said later to leave.

    "I went back to the island and got my hands taken care of and stayed back there [to rest for a while]. I was kind of groggy. I found another of my buddies and we went back aft again to help with the fire. By this time, they were working on the holes in the flight deck.

    "Once again, one of our officers in the squadron found me and took me down to the forecastle to rest. I stayed down there for about ten minutes, then went back aft again. ... I stayed back there until I just about passed out and my buddy dragged me out of there. . ."

    • Seaman Milton Parker was just watching flight operations from the 09 level when the fire struck. Unable to get to his General Quarters station because it was cut off, he manned a hose on the flight deck for almost nine hours. He told how the heat of the deck burned both soles off his shoes, but "my feet are okay because I put on some flight deck shoes and went back in" to continue fire fighting.

    • The CVW-17 operations officer, Lt. Cmdr. Herb Hope, was to fly a VA-46 A-4 with a launch time of 11a.m. 'When the flight deck erupted in flames, he managed to escape from his plane and, between explosions, literally rolled off the flight deck into a safety net. He made his way down to the hangar deck to coordinate the actions of a damage control party in one of the hangar bays. "The port quarter of the flight deck, where I was," he said, "is no longer there."

    Fed by clothing, bedding and other flammables, the fires in the levels between the flight and hangar decks burned with an awesome fury. Men trying to locate shipmates trapped in compartments were driven out by flames and smoke. The after section of the hangar deck was so thick with smoke that it was impossible to see.

    These are excerpts from an account given by Ens. Robert R. Schmidt, a 24-year-old engineering officer:

    "... My work really wasn't the exciting kind of thing; just keeping the fire from spreading into any other areas. My people were doing all kinds of dirty work, moving into areas where the water was so hot it was almost boiling. OBA (Oxygen Breathing Apparatus) windows started fogging up and the people could hardly see anything. Yet, these kids went into the deeper areas of the ship, endangering their own lives. . . ."

    At 1:48 p.m., Forrestal reported that the fires in the 01, 02 and 03 levels still burned, but that all the ship's machinery and steering equipment were operational.

    At 2:12 p.m., the after radio compartment was evacuated because of dense smoke and water. "All fires out on 01 level, port side," the ship reported.

    At 2:47 p.m. the compartment fires continued but progress was being made. Forrestal was steaming toward a rendezvous with the hospital ship USS Repose (AH 16).

    At 3 p.m., the commander of Task Force 77 announced he was sending Forrestal to Subic Bay, Philippines, after the carrier rendezvoused with Repose.

    At 5:05, a muster of Forrestal crewmen — both in the carrier and aboard other ships — was begun. Fires were still burning in the ship's carpenter shop and on the main deck.

    At 6:44 p.m., the fires were still burning.

    At 8:30 p.m., the fires in the 02 and 03 levels were contained, but the area was still too hot to enter. Holes were cut in the flight deck to provide access to compartments below.

    Ens. Schmidt and his damage control team continued to fight their way into burning compartments; his work later that afternoon was as an investigator for the damage control assistant. There were times he had to enter spaces that were virtually inaccessible. "I asked for volunteers," he recalled, "and I immediately had two or three who followed me back into the guts of the fire. Several times, people would come up to me and say, 'What can I do? How can I help?' ... At first, I couldn't find work for all the people who wanted to help. I can't give enough praise to the sailors I supervised. They fought the fire and did all the dirty jobs ... These kids worked all night, 24-28 hours, containing the fire. . . . I've nothing but praise for the American sailor."

    • On the hangar deck, a chief petty officer — his soaked clothing plastered to his body — ran from burning hangar bay three and called for five volunteers. He got 30.

    • At the height of the fire, Capt. John K. Beling, Forrestal's commanding officer, went to hangar bay two. He watched quietly for a while, told his men they were doing well. He returned to the bridge; there was nothing more he could do.

    • Filipino stewards, some who appeared to weigh no more than 100 pounds, rolled 250-pound bombs to the edges and pushed them overboard.

    • With strength born of adversity, 130-pound Lt. Otis Kight single-handedly carried a 250-pound bomb to the edge of the hangar deck and threw it over the side. His shipmates are certain he will never be able to repeat that feat.

    • Chief Aviation Ornanceman Thomas Lawler escaped from his shop on the 03 level when the first explosion occurred and the overhead "began to glow like it was on fire." For hours afterwards, he disarmed aircraft in the after hangar bays, groping his way through smoke so thick that he could see no more than a foot ahead. "I don't believe we were in very great danger in hangar bay three," he said later. "All the fires were contained in the very aft end of the hangar bay. The only thing that worried me slightly at all was on the first trip in the hangar bay when you could see practically nothing at all [but] we kept hearing a gushing, a loud, gurgling sound and we couldn't quite determine what that was and the unknown always worries you a little bit. . ."

    At 8:33 p.m., Forrestal reported that fires on the 02 level were under control but that fire fighting was greatly hampered because of smoke and heat.

    At 8: 54, only the 02 level on the port side was still burning. Medical evacuation to Repose was in progress.

    At 12:20 a.m., July 30, all the fires were out. Forrestal crewmembers continued to clear smoke and cool hot steel on the 02 and 03 levels.

    The tragedy of the hours that had passed since the fire started began to penetrate into the minds and bodies of the men aboard the carrier. The adrenalin that had pumped through them began to seep away. They were tired but they could not sleep; they walked restlessly about the ship, lending a hand wherever they could.

    As time passed, volunteers were still requested and swarms of men — men who had fought the fire since 11 a.m. and who were dead tired and sick from smoke and the sights they'd seen — forgot their fatigue and their sickness and raced through passageways to man the hoses again.

    Lt. j.g. Frank Guinan sat on the deck next to his room, too tired to get up and go inside. "It seems so unreal," he said, and he added: "Nobody had better say to me that American youth [is] lazy. I saw men working today who were not only injured but thoroughly exhausted and they had to be carried away. They were trying so hard to help but they were actually becoming a burden."

    It was time, now, to begin to assess the damage. There were four gaping holes in the flight deck where bombs exploded, pushing armored steel down and under — much like an old-fashioned hole in a beer can.

    Stock was taken of the aircraft. It leveled off to a report of 26 either destroyed or jettisoned and 31 more damaged to some extent.

    And it was time to arrive at a final toll of dead and injured. For hours, the muster of Forrestal men continued; it was made terrifically difficult because so many of the crew were scattered in other ships.

    And it was time to recall how those ships had come to the aid of the stricken Forrestal. From Oriskany and Bon Homme Richard had come medical teams and fire-fighting equipment. The skippers of the destroyers USS Rupertus (DD 851) and USS George K. MacKenzie (DD 836) , in what Rear Adm. Harvey P. Lanham, ComCarDiv Two, called an act of "magnificent seamanship," had maneuvered their ships to within 20 feet of the carrier so fire hoses could be effectively used.

    But mostly it was a time to think of shipmates, those who had fought the flames and died because of their heroism. They were men like Data Systems Technician 2nd Class Stephen L. Hock, who was one of the first to reach the 03 level and who fought the fire and aided survivors until he was driven back by fire and smoke, then donned an OBA and returned again to the blazing area to fight the flames and help the injured. He kept up the pace for hours, then was overcome in a flooded and gas-filled compartment. Efforts to revive him were unsuccessful.

    They were men like Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class Joseph C. Shartzer who returned to the inferno on the 03 level from which he had narrowly escaped and sacrificed his life as he aided in rescuing trapped men and fighting the fire.

    They were men like Aviation Boatswain's Mate (Hydaulics) 3rd Class Robert A. Rhuda, who could have escaped from the smoke-filled compartments where he was on duty as a police petty officer, but who remained behind to awaken and direct or physically assist shipmates out of the area — returning time and time again until the explosion of a bomb destroyed the compartment in which he was last seen.

    They were men like that.

    As Forrestal steamed for Subic Bay, a memorial service was held in Hangar Bay One for the crewmen who had given their lives for their ship and their country. More than 2,000 Forrestal men listened to and prayed with Chaplains Geoffrey Gaughan and David Cooper as they paid tribute to their lost shipmates. The three volleys fired by 13 U.S. Marines were followed by the benediction, which closed the service after 15 minutes of prayer and hymns.

    The heroes and the brave men aboard Forrestal were uniformly praised by those under whom they served. Vice Adm. C. T. Booth, ComNavAirLant, paid tribute to their courage, as did Adm. Roy L. Johnson, CinCPacFlt, Adm. E. P. Holmes, CinCLantFlt, and Paul Nitze, Deputy Secretary of Defense, who also spoke for Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara.

    And there was this personal message to Capt. Beling: "I want you and the men of your command to know that the thoughts of the American people are with you at this tragic time. We all feel a great sense of personal loss. The devotion to duty and courage of your men have not gone unnoticed. The sacrifices they have made shall not be in vain." It was signed by Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Capt. Beling also commented on his crew: "I am most proud of the way the crew reacted. The thing that is foremost in my mind is the concrete demonstration that I have seen of the worth of American youth. I saw many examples of heroism. I saw, and subsequently heard of, not one single example of cowardice."

    Forrestal men were men like that.
    And that my friends is the absolute 100% truth...Rest in Peace shipmates..rest in peace.

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    In my early years in the US Navy alcoholism was very much tolerated if not expected...Myself the most I ever drank in my whole life was when I was stationed in Japan. Personally I've had no alchol since Super Bowl Sunday 2003.

    On the JFK out division Chief was nicked named
    "Chrome Dome". He was bald and even though he was only 35+ years old to us young sailors he was an old man.

    Needless to say the man drank a lot in port. A lot. a whole lot. When I was first assigned to my division on the JFK after mess cooking he had just been to Captains Mast (Article 15) for assault and battery. Seems he and another CPO got in a fight with some Italians beat the crap out of them. The Shore patrol ushered them off to Fleet landing and sent them back to the JFK. When they got on board they got into some verbal arguments with the OOD & CDO. A lot of cussing and hissing. When they went to mast. Mind you this was in 1972 they received each a very reprimand and that their recommendations pulled for Senior CPO(E-8). In todays navy circa 2009 they would have been reduced in rank and maybe given the boot to civilian life along with another than honorable discharge.

    On the Midway there was a AO1 LH in G division. I never saw the man on liberty any where sober. He drank on the ship at sea. He made his own nasty drink. He had a hook up in the ships store. He'd buy cases of Listerine. Which use to be 35% alchol(70 proof) and mix that with bug juice and drink it. Funny thing is AO1 LH never was ever in trouble and was a excellent AO1. And a some of the brass knew about his drinking. They did nothing. last i saw him he was staggering down the main drag in Olongopo City in 1975. From what I understand in his whole 20 years in the USN he was never on shore duty. Sadly he's probaly no longer among the living.

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