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    Default Russia to build Vietnam's submarine fleet

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    Party of the diesel-electric submarines of the class of " [Kilo]" project 636 for Navy With [vetnami] it will be built in Russia. The executor of order selected joint stock company of " Admiralty of [verfi]" , on which has already been built two submarines of this class for Algeria, reports " [Kommersant]". Soon [FGUP] of " [Rosoboroneksport]" will sign the corresponding contract, whose sum is evaluated at 1,8 billion dollars. In all it is planned to construct six submarines. Publication notes that the appearance precisely of Vietnam as the final customer for many experts became unexpected contingency. It previously communicated that since 2007 the active dialogues about the building of party of nine [PL] conducted Venezuela, to which they were necessary for the protection of the regions of oil output in the shelf. However, transaction so was not concluded. It is noted that one of the reasons for the failure of " [Rosoboroneksporta]" from further consultations on the contract with Venezuela became the friendly encounter UGO Of [chavesa] with the President of the USA the barracks Of the [obamoy] on the summit Organization of American States. According to the information of publication, the talks with the representatives of Vietnam began approximately one year ago. The periods of the end of the building of entire party are not called. If necessary the production of one or two boats will be transmitted into [Severodvinsk] on ON " [Sevmash]". Vietnam repeatedly bought different armaments in Russia. In particular, in 2001-2002 Russian enterprises obtained orders for building of eight military launches of project of 1241.8, two frigates of project 1166.1 (" [Gepard]") and coast antiship missile complex of " [Bastion]". Designed in [TSKB] " [Rubin]" the submarine of project 636 is considered one of the low-noise in the world. Submarine is equipped with four rockets, 18 by Torr even 24 by mines. The crew of vessel composes 52 people, it can be immersed at the depth to 300 meters and move in the underwater position with speed to 20 units (about 37 kilometers an hour). [PL] is intended for fulfilling the wide circle of the tasks, including of the destruction of underwater and surface ships, protection of Naval bases and communications, conducting of reconnaissance.
    http://lenta.ru/news/2009/04/27/vietnam/

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    OMG. Six Kilos. Very very big boost for Vietnam Navy!!!

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    OMG. Six Kilos. Very very big boost for China Aircraft Carriers!!!

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    Here is a more legible version:

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090427/121320414.html

    Russia to build 6 Kilo-class diesel submarines for Vietnam

    MOSCOW, April 27 (RIA Novosti) - Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg will build six Kilo class diesel-electric submarines for delivery to Vietnam, the Russian business daily Kommersant said on Monday.

    The paper quoted company general director Vladimir Aleksandrov as saying that Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport would soon sign a contract with a foreign state, and that Admiralty Shipyards had been chosen to fulfill this contract.

    Sources in Rosoboronexport later confirmed that Russia and Vietnam had been negotiating a $1.8 billion deal on the delivery of six Kilo-class submarines to the Vietnamese navy for about a year.

    Admiralty Shipyards is currently building two Kilo class submarines for Algeria to be delivered in 2009 and 2010.

    Kilo class submarines, nicknamed "Black Holes" for their ability to avoid detection, are considered to be among the quietest diesel-electric submarines in the world.

    The submarine is designed for anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface-ship warfare, and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions.

    The vessel has a displacement of 2,300 tons, a maximum depth of 350 meters (1,200 feet), a range of 6,000 miles, and a crew of 57. It is equipped with six 533-mm torpedo tubes.

    As of November 2006, 16 vessels were believed to be in active service with the Russian Navy and eight submarines were thought to be in reserve. Another 29 vessels have been exported to China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.

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    Agence France-PresseMoscow, April 27, 2009
    First Published: 12:54 IST(27/4/2009)
    Last Updated: 12:57 IST(27/4/2009)

    Russia to build six submarines for Vietnam: Report


    Russia will build six submarines for the Vietnamese navy, the daily Kommersant reported on Monday.
    The St Petersburg naval dockyard Admiralteyskye verfi and Vietnam will shortly sign the contract, worth 1.8 billion dollars, the report said, quoting sources close to Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport. It gave no time frame.
    [*******Red]"Initially it was expected that the submarines would be bought by Venezuela, but Rosoboronexport refused to clinch the deal with that country, largely due to a recent meeting between Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and his American counterpart Barack Obama," Kommersant said.[/COLOR]
    Chavez, a ferocious foe of the United States under the George W Bush presidency, showed signs of warming to Obama during the Americas conference earlier this month, telling the new US president: "I want to be your friend."



    http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print.aspx?ID=6562b7ee-8125-49a9-8070-6869b0508412
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    Chavez, a ferocious foe of the United States under the George W Bush presidency, showed signs of warming to Obama during the Americas conference earlier this month, telling the new US president: "I want to be your friend."
    So just because of this, Russia wont sell subs to Chavez anymore? and !!!

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    no surprise

    malaysia,singapore,indonesia and (obviously) china have their own submarine fleet

    this makes me think though.
    does thailand have submarine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayanami_tard View Post
    no surprise

    malaysia,singapore,indonesia and (obviously) china have their own submarine fleet

    this makes me think though.
    does thailand have submarine?
    seems not:
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...iland/navy.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewall71 View Post

    also from globalsecurity.org:

    The RTN has had its budget doubled since 1986 and submarines currently top the navy's wish list which Thailand operated before the Second World War. In the late 1990s Thailand came close to procuring conventional submarines, with the German Type209 and Swedish Type A-19 Gotland-class on the shortlist. It has been reported that the navy is currently examining second hand Israeli Gall-class boats and Russian Amur-class attack subs. Israel, which has done a lot of defense contracting business with Thailand, has reportedly offered the RTN two second hand Gall subs at an inexpensive cost. Sources said the Israelis offered the "very cheap" subs as training vessels while new subs with SIGINT capability were under construction. In addition, sources report that the Russians made a very attractive offer to sell its Amur class submarines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewall71 View Post
    [*******Red]"Initially it was expected that the submarines would be bought by Venezuela, but Rosoboronexport refused to clinch the deal with that country, largely due to a recent meeting between Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and his American counterpart Barack Obama," Kommersant said.[/COLOR]
    Sounds like complete BS to me. Vietnam has far better ties with the US than Venezuela, even after Chavez's meeting. And really the whole concept of Russia refusing to sell weapons systems to a country because it had a meeting with America is ridiculous. It is afterall just a meeting; and even if a strategic partnership and military alliance were announced, Russia would still push for the sale.

    Russia would sell to anyone who has the money to pay and with whom it doesn't have a conflict of interest; it's a profitable business, and among its clients are NATO members, American allies, and all sorts of nations.

    The only scenario that could make sense is if the Venezuelans themselves rejected the purchase of these systems out of fear of harming relations with America, or otherwise decided to purchase American systems instead in order to improve ties.

    EDIT: Actually the only other possible explanation; is if Russia fears that Venezuela might allow American specialists to inspect the subs and learn from it's technology.

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    Russia sells weapons to almost anybody who can pay for them, capitalism is great. Russia sold weapons to Greece and India for example, both of whom have MUCH better relations with the US than Venezuela. I dont see Russia turning down $$$ from Venezuela just because of a meeting with Obama. Maybe Venezuela cannot afford subs now with the crisis/low oil price, who knows. And the USA doesnt make diesel subs, so it's not like Chavez will buy American just to please Obama in this case.

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    This is a good new for russian shipbuilders to have jobs and money in this crisis times.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPsL2...eature=related

    The Vietnamese should demand that these be sung as their submarines leave port!

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    see: http://www.defpro.com/news/details/6999/


    Vietnam orders Russian submarines

    08:24 GMT, April 27, 2009 MOSCOW | Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg will build six Kilo class diesel-electric submarines for delivery to Vietnam, the Russian business daily Kommersant said on Monday.

    The paper quoted company general director Vladimir Aleksandrov as saying that Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport would soon sign a contract with a foreign state, and that Admiralty Shipyards had been chosen to fulfill this contract.

    Sources in Rosoboronexport later confirmed that Russia and Vietnam had been negotiating a $1.8 billion deal on the delivery of six Kilo-class submarines to the Vietnamese navy for about a year.

    Admiralty Shipyards is currently building two Kilo class submarines for Algeria to be delivered in 2009 and 2010.

    Kilo class submarines, nicknamed "Black Holes" for their ability to avoid detection, are considered to be among the quietest diesel-electric submarines in the world.

    The submarine is designed for anti-submarine warfare and anti-surface-ship warfare, and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions.

    The vessel has a displacement of 2,300 tons, a maximum depth of 350 meters (1,200 feet), a range of 6,000 miles, and a crew of 57. It is equipped with six 533-mm torpedo tubes.

    As of November 2006, 16 vessels were believed to be in active service with the Russian Navy and eight submarines were thought to be in reserve. Another 29 vessels have been exported to China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.





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    Why 6 Kilos?

    Why not opts for 4 - 5 Amur class subs?

    That would give Vietnam top of the line diesel defense subs.

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