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    http://http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/europe/27hungary.html?_r=1

    TISZALOK, Hungary — Jeno Koka was a doting grandfather and dedicated worker on his way to his night-shift job at a chemical plant last week when he was shot dead at his doorstep. To his killer, he was just a Gypsy, and that seems to have been reason enough.
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    Prejudice against Roma — widely known as Gypsies and long among Europe’s most oppressed minority groups — has swelled into a wave of violence. Over the past year, at least seven Roma have been killed in Hungary, and Roma leaders have counted some 30 Molotov cocktail attacks against Roma homes, often accompanied by sprays of gunfire.
    But the police have focused their attention on three fatal attacks since November that they say are linked. The authorities say the attacks may have been carried out by police officers or military personnel, based on the stealth and accuracy with which the victims were killed.
    In addition to Mr. Koka’s death, there were the slayings of a Roma man and woman, who were shot after their house was set ablaze last November in Nagycsecs, a town about an hour’s drive from Tiszalok in northeastern Hungary. And in February, a Roma man and his 4-year-old son were gunned down as they tried to escape from their home, which was set on fire in Tatarszentgyorgy, a small town south of Budapest.
    Jozsef Bencze, Hungary’s national police chief, said in an interview on Friday with the daily newspaper Nepszabadsag that the perpetrators, believed to be a group of four or more men in their 40s, were killing “with hands that are too confident.” Military counterintelligence is taking part in the investigation, Hungarian radio reported, and Mr. Bencze said the pool of suspects included veterans of the Balkan wars and Hungarian members of the French Foreign Legion.
    Experts on Roma issues describe an ever more aggressive atmosphere toward Roma in Hungary and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe, led by extreme right-wing parties, whose leaders are playing on old stereotypes of Roma as petty criminals and drains on social welfare systems at a time of rising economic and political turmoil. As unemployment rises, officials and Roma experts fear the attacks will only intensify.
    “One thing to remember, the Holocaust did not start at the gas chambers,” said Lajos Korozs, senior state secretary in the Ministry of Social Affairs and Labor, who works on Roma issues for the government.
    In the Czech Republic, where radical right-wing demonstrators have clashed with the police as they tried to march through Roma neighborhoods, a small child and her parents were severely burned after assailants firebombed their home in the town of Vitkov this month. The police in Slovakia were caught on video recently tormenting six Roma boys they had arrested, forcing them to undress, hit and kiss one another.
    But nowhere has the violence reached the level it has in Hungary, spreading fear and intimidation through a Roma population of roughly 600,000. (Estimates vary widely in part because Roma say they are afraid to identify themselves in surveys.)
    Last Wednesday, Mr. Koka, 54, had just finished a cup of coffee and brought his wife supper in their bedroom when he went outside to start his orange Opel Astra for his nightly drive to work. His wife, Eva, said she heard his body hit the ground, but did not realize it until she went outside and found him lying in a pool of blood a few paces from the doorframe.
    “I tried to lift his hand and his head, but he didn’t say a word,” said Ms. Koka, whose brother rushed over from his home across the street and tried to perform CPR on Mr. Koka, who had been shot in the chest. “If he had not been dead he would have said goodbye to me,” Ms. Koka said in an interview at their home.
    Viktoria Mohacsi, a Roma member of the European Parliament, said the police — who still decline to explicitly name ethnicity as a motive in the cases — were slow to recognize the blossoming violence against the community. “At the beginning, they said it was illegal money lenders or that it was Roma killing each other,” Ms. Mohacsi said, as she visited the Koka family here in Tiszalok on Friday.
    “In the past five years, attitudes toward Roma in many parts of Eastern Europe have hardened, and new extremists have started to use the Roma issue in a way that either they didn’t dare to or didn’t get an airing before,” said Michael Stewart, coordinator of the Europe-wide Roma Research Network.
    The extreme-right party Jobbik has used the issue of what its leaders call “Gypsy crime” to rise in the polls to near the 5 percent threshold for seats in Hungary’s Parliament in next year’s election, which would be a first for the party.Opponents accuse the Hungarian Guard, the paramilitary group associated with the party, of staging marches and public meetings to stir up anti-Roma sentiment and to intimidate the local Roma population.
    The group held a rally last year in Tiszalok and in 2007 in Tatarszentgyorgy, the town where the father and son were killed in February, an act that some residents deplored while in the same breath complaining about a spate of break-ins in town that they blamed on Roma.
    “The situation is bad because of the many Roma,” said Eva, 45, a non-Roma Hungarian in Tatarszentgyorgy who declined to give her last name, out of what she said was fear of reprisals. “When the guard was here, for a while they weren’t so loud. It helped.”
    Since the attacks in Tatarszentgyorgy, some local residents have joined their terrified Roma neighbors in nighttime patrols, looking for strange cars armed with nothing but searchlights.
    “We are living in fear, all the Roma people are,” said Csaba Csorba, 48, whose son Robert, 27, and grandson, also named Robert, were killed by a blast from a shotgun shortly after midnight in the February attack. They were buried together in one coffin, the little boy laid to rest on his father’s chest.
    The child’s death in particular shook Roma here. “It proved to us it doesn’t matter whether we are good people or bad people,” said Agnes Koka, 32, the niece and goddaughter of Mr. Koka, who relatives said loved to bring candy and fruit to his grandchildren. “It only matters that we are Gypsy,” Ms. Koka said.'



    Oh, Lord, how long for is this cheat campaign on, until the Roma start a civil war or what?

    'The extreme-right party Jobbik has used the issue of what its leaders call “Gypsy crime” to rise in the polls to near the 5 percent threshold for seats in Hungary’s Parliament in next year’s election, which would be a first for the party.'

    The only reason why they could do that is because people are rather pi%%ed off with the situation and crime , antisocial behaviour they have to tolerate.

    How about just investigating on normal, simple, most likely line of crime?

    Plenty leads in all cases I read up on...

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    What a bunch of fcuks.

    I fear that awful stories like this will grow with the hardening economic conditions and the need for scapegoats.

    Slovak neo nazis beat up and killed a young hippie, Daniel Tupy a few years ago. Suprise suprise, they were also mafia henchmen. I dont recall recently violent actions against Gypsies here though. Last serious stuff was the forced sterilization scandal. SNS is warning Slovaks regularly against the Hungarian threat, so Gypsies get kind of break and only return to their "sub human" but tolerable status.

    Lead people by uniting them against something instead of for something. A succesful recipe since...Aww who's taking count.
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    What is this Hungarian "threat" that you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23EightySix View Post
    What is this Hungarian "threat" that you speak of?
    Before putting rolling eyes, I suggest you turn on your sarcasm detector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazell View Post

    Over the past year, at least seven Roma have been killed in Hungary..
    So, out of a population of 600 000 7 have died violently. Somehow that doesn't sound like a very big number. What is more, blood feuds that can last generations are integral part of the gypsy culture so I wonder how many of these people actually died by the hand of their own brethren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
    So, out of a population of 600 000 7 have died violently. Somehow that doesn't sound like a very big number. What is more, blood feuds that can last generations are integral part of the gypsy culture so I wonder how many of these people actually died by the hand of their own brethren.
    While the body count of feuds is not irrelevant the simple fact that people are being targeted due to their creed is more important.

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    Well, that is the thing though, there is no proof as yet in any of the cases it being so.

    The hard working family guy murdered in February turns out to be simply a criminal, politicians, special parliament committees cancelled meetings and took time off to attend his funeral.

    Well, the police knew this then, too.

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    Anybody else noticed how ROma are the new media victims in vogue? (or perhaps it's just me?)

    Still a sad thing to happen anyone.

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    Probably sells well. Otherwise, I doubt though anybody is so really interested in Hungarian internal affairs, unless themselves concerned or paid for an ordered article.

    However, there are real serious problems there. When a few years ago some were going on about ethnic war in Hungary and another war like there was next doors and Kosovo, I thought it exaggerating, alarmist stuff, now I'm rather of a different opinion nowadays. Definitely, hostilities of all sorts would be no surprise to flare up locally, any time, there is just that much crime people can be expected to tolerate.

    Unfortunately, I cannot quote articles on the real situation there and what the problems are as it seems to be a taboo and swept under the carpet, has been for long years and it forgot to solve itself.

    Depending where you live, life can be rather harsh. Demolition, everything that can be moved is taken: bridges, playgrounds, rail tracks, cables and all in your garden. Houses are de-constructed from above peoples' heads, who are threatened at knife point to leave.

    No difference with violent crime, a man in paramedics told me he is petrified to go out to certain neighborhood they have been so many times abused and beaten, a dentist gave an interview that he is doing surgery with an armed guard present and so on...

    So, I would not be surprised if some had their glass full as equally would not if the government was making some of these crimes happen but at any rate they can freely smear anybody they want with them, even though some of the victims are not even roma.

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    Now they have found some weapon that was used in more than on crime and got the help of FBI engaged. The most horrible outcome probable.

    http://atv.hu/hircentrum/090503_30_e...t___video.html

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    Now an independent tv reports that the police has a suspect arrested in the Tatarszentgyorgy case, who happens to be a roma, from the neighbouring village of Orkeny, Roma mafia member.

    Lovely, the government went out on the criminal victim's funeral - well, they got pick-pocketed for justice of life - but honestly, this governmental conduct is despicable. Of course they are all or owned by mafia is the excuse.

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    The title is an ironic one about the propaganda appearing in the media without basis.

    Yes, nice view, girls. Anything else?

    If it's carrying on like this, there won't be many nice things left though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazell View Post
    http://http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/europe/27hungary.html?_r=1

    TISZALOK, Hungary — Jeno Koka was a doting grandfather and dedicated worker on his way to his night-shift job at a chemical plant last week when he was shot dead at his doorstep. To his killer, he was just a Gypsy, and that seems to have been reason enough.
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    Prejudice against Roma — widely known as Gypsies and long among Europe’s most oppressed minority groups — has swelled into a wave of violence. Over the past year, at least seven Roma have been killed in Hungary, and Roma leaders have counted some 30 Molotov cocktail attacks against Roma homes, often accompanied by sprays of gunfire.
    But the police have focused their attention on three fatal attacks since November that they say are linked. The authorities say the attacks may have been carried out by police officers or military personnel, based on the stealth and accuracy with which the victims were killed.
    In addition to Mr. Koka’s death, there were the slayings of a Roma man and woman, who were shot after their house was set ablaze last November in Nagycsecs, a town about an hour’s drive from Tiszalok in northeastern Hungary. And in February, a Roma man and his 4-year-old son were gunned down as they tried to escape from their home, which was set on fire in Tatarszentgyorgy, a small town south of Budapest.
    Jozsef Bencze, Hungary’s national police chief, said in an interview on Friday with the daily newspaper Nepszabadsag that the perpetrators, believed to be a group of four or more men in their 40s, were killing “with hands that are too confident.” Military counterintelligence is taking part in the investigation, Hungarian radio reported, and Mr. Bencze said the pool of suspects included veterans of the Balkan wars and Hungarian members of the French Foreign Legion.
    Experts on Roma issues describe an ever more aggressive atmosphere toward Roma in Hungary and elsewhere in Central and Eastern Europe, led by extreme right-wing parties, whose leaders are playing on old stereotypes of Roma as petty criminals and drains on social welfare systems at a time of rising economic and political turmoil. As unemployment rises, officials and Roma experts fear the attacks will only intensify.
    “One thing to remember, the Holocaust did not start at the gas chambers,” said Lajos Korozs, senior state secretary in the Ministry of Social Affairs and Labor, who works on Roma issues for the government.
    In the Czech Republic, where radical right-wing demonstrators have clashed with the police as they tried to march through Roma neighborhoods, a small child and her parents were severely burned after assailants firebombed their home in the town of Vitkov this month. The police in Slovakia were caught on video recently tormenting six Roma boys they had arrested, forcing them to undress, hit and kiss one another.
    But nowhere has the violence reached the level it has in Hungary, spreading fear and intimidation through a Roma population of roughly 600,000. (Estimates vary widely in part because Roma say they are afraid to identify themselves in surveys.)
    Last Wednesday, Mr. Koka, 54, had just finished a cup of coffee and brought his wife supper in their bedroom when he went outside to start his orange Opel Astra for his nightly drive to work. His wife, Eva, said she heard his body hit the ground, but did not realize it until she went outside and found him lying in a pool of blood a few paces from the doorframe.
    “I tried to lift his hand and his head, but he didn’t say a word,” said Ms. Koka, whose brother rushed over from his home across the street and tried to perform CPR on Mr. Koka, who had been shot in the chest. “If he had not been dead he would have said goodbye to me,” Ms. Koka said in an interview at their home.
    Viktoria Mohacsi, a Roma member of the European Parliament, said the police — who still decline to explicitly name ethnicity as a motive in the cases — were slow to recognize the blossoming violence against the community. “At the beginning, they said it was illegal money lenders or that it was Roma killing each other,” Ms. Mohacsi said, as she visited the Koka family here in Tiszalok on Friday.
    “In the past five years, attitudes toward Roma in many parts of Eastern Europe have hardened, and new extremists have started to use the Roma issue in a way that either they didn’t dare to or didn’t get an airing before,” said Michael Stewart, coordinator of the Europe-wide Roma Research Network.
    The extreme-right party Jobbik has used the issue of what its leaders call “Gypsy crime” to rise in the polls to near the 5 percent threshold for seats in Hungary’s Parliament in next year’s election, which would be a first for the party.Opponents accuse the Hungarian Guard, the paramilitary group associated with the party, of staging marches and public meetings to stir up anti-Roma sentiment and to intimidate the local Roma population.
    The group held a rally last year in Tiszalok and in 2007 in Tatarszentgyorgy, the town where the father and son were killed in February, an act that some residents deplored while in the same breath complaining about a spate of break-ins in town that they blamed on Roma.
    “The situation is bad because of the many Roma,” said Eva, 45, a non-Roma Hungarian in Tatarszentgyorgy who declined to give her last name, out of what she said was fear of reprisals. “When the guard was here, for a while they weren’t so loud. It helped.”
    Since the attacks in Tatarszentgyorgy, some local residents have joined their terrified Roma neighbors in nighttime patrols, looking for strange cars armed with nothing but searchlights.
    “We are living in fear, all the Roma people are,” said Csaba Csorba, 48, whose son Robert, 27, and grandson, also named Robert, were killed by a blast from a shotgun shortly after midnight in the February attack. They were buried together in one coffin, the little boy laid to rest on his father’s chest.
    The child’s death in particular shook Roma here. “It proved to us it doesn’t matter whether we are good people or bad people,” said Agnes Koka, 32, the niece and goddaughter of Mr. Koka, who relatives said loved to bring candy and fruit to his grandchildren. “It only matters that we are Gypsy,” Ms. Koka said.'



    Oh, Lord, how long for is this cheat campaign on, until the Roma start a civil war or what?

    'The extreme-right party Jobbik has used the issue of what its leaders call “Gypsy crime” to rise in the polls to near the 5 percent threshold for seats in Hungary’s Parliament in next year’s election, which would be a first for the party.'

    The only reason why they could do that is because people are rather pi%%ed off with the situation and crime , antisocial behaviour they have to tolerate.

    How about just investigating on normal, simple, most likely line of crime?

    Plenty leads in all cases I read up on...

    Are gypsies really whats left of Romans? omg that must really suck for the Romans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmaStrat View Post
    Are gypsies really whats left of Romans? omg that must really suck for the Romans.
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    Romany not Roman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
    So, out of a population of 600 000 7 have died violently. Somehow that doesn't sound like a very big number. What is more, blood feuds that can last generations are integral part of the gypsy culture so I wonder how many of these people actually died by the hand of their own brethren.
    Gypsies don't have blood feuds. That's a myth much like the one where they steal poor little white children and raise them to be beggars.

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