H.R. 2324--Aiming At Registering Gun Owners And Putting Gun Shows Out Of Business
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4852
Friday, May 08, 2009
On May 6, at a press conference with Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, U.S. Representatives Michael Castle (R-Del.) and Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced H.R. 2324--the "Gun Show Loophole Closing Act." Masquerading as reform, H.R. 2324 would impose severe bureaucratic restrictions aimed at shutting down gun shows.
The bill is essentially a re-introduction of the failed H.R. 96, introduced in the 110th Congress. Despite changes from the Lautenberg juvenile justice amendment of 1999, on which the measure is based, H.R. 2324 fails to address gun owners' most significant concerns. In several areas it is even more restrictive than past attempts to regulate gun shows. H.R. 2324 would create gun owner registration, massive new government red tape, and allow harassment of gun show organizers, vendors and attendees. The bill also ignores a glaring problem--multiple government studies prove gun shows are not a source of "crime guns."
Anti-gun Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) introduced a companion bill (S. 843) in the U.S. Senate in late April.
anyone have other sources and info?
I am not sure what they are talking about the so called 'gun show loophole'. Not sure about other parts of the country but in WA, you have to be a 'member' of the gun show to buy a firearm. Part of the membership process is a background check just like in a gun store.
Originally Posted by cbreedon
I think it may have to be something with.. if i buy a gun.. i can give it to you without any papers or registration? Cause i thought you could own a handgun at 17 in most states if it was given to you? You just cant buy one. i could be wrong please correct me if i am mistaken.
The gunshow loohole is just to shut down private sales, which are legal. They want every gun sale transaction on record.
It's basically feel good legislation for the anti gun crowd to point to. Most people that have never been to a gunshow don't want or care to be at one, and don't understand why some sort of "firearm fleamarket" could be legal in the first place. You can't walk out with a handgun, you have to fill out necessary paperwork, you need to have ID and all the rest of it.
There are some PR type nightmares running around the ones I've been to though.
-The jokers in full camo gear with the 56 inch waists.
-The guys with the "specialty" tables with the T shirts that say things like "Meet the Real Boys in the Hood" with the little Klan dudes screenprinted on them.
-The dinks with the Anarchist Cookbook selection.
All it takes is a few of them on the news and voila!
Besides the fact that 20 years ago you could get decent buys on guns and ammo. Now anyone that found some POS in their uncles closet thinks they have some kind of priceless treasure. It's frigging annoying.
Must be a yankee thing Joe.. gunshows in my part of the country have few of the obese camo bubbas , almost none of the t-shirt and trinket hawkers , and I have yet to see any of the "anarchist cookbook" type publications.
There will always be those with junk that thinks it is gold... they are easy enough to ignore.
The serious drain on my at shows anymore is the jackasses that dress up like nazis ( some I assume are re-enactors ) and parade around... what tools !. I love a good haggle but I have always seen the types that simply are so cheap if it cost them a nickel to sh*t they would rather puke instead... always something for nothing mentality.
The last and only gunshow left in my old homestate ( Peepulz Republik of New Jerkey ) is a "gunshow" in name only as NO transactions are allowed to take place there irregardless of dealer status or not. The state Polizei walk undercover at that rather small event trying to make their prescence felt... their intent is for the old fellows to give up and or die off so it's grandfather status can be trashed.. you know for the children and the safety of the citizens of the great socialist republik of new jerkey.
Imagine if the whole country gets this democraptik utopian dream of destroying gunshows... oh how safe all of the citizens will be ( yeah right ).
Based on these responses I am understanding the ban on the gunshow loophole is all private sales whether at a gunshow in or just a guy selling a gun to someone else. Seems like a lot of paperwork if I want to sell to my buddy....
Do I need to get a tax ID so I can charge him sales tax too??
I agree with you CJ... There are a load of wierdos at those shows.
Haha, I spent 20 years behind enemy lines in Southern Maryland and Virginia, those are the shows I'm talking about. Hell, I don't even think I've been to one in New England. Never saw any SS reenactors. There were a lot of weirdos at the Nazi memorabilia tables though.
I did bullsh*t with Gunny Hathcock at one. That was pretty cool and sad all at the same time. He was in a wheelchair.
Yeah, this whole thing has more to do with private sales period than it does with "shows". The shows just provide good soundbyte fodder.
Lets be honest here, anyone my age or older is pissed off that we still can't order military surplus rifles for 10 bucks a piece and have them sent right to your house. I'm lazy as hell, I even got a C&R in case I actually decide to buy anything.
We get the Nazis, klan types, etc at the gun shows up here in the Seattle area as well. Which surprised me when I moved up here from Texas.
in Oregon, the sellers all have to call the State Police, have paperwork, and so on for quick Background Checks, and then if its for a rifle, no problem..if its for a handgun, waiting period, i'm not sure how long though...
So a law that requires gun shows stall holders to do background checks infringes on the 2nd Amendment how?
it would be nice to have the full text of the proposed bill so we can read it and draw our own conclusions....rather than trying to divine the meanings from both sides of the bill.
I have only gone to one, in Puyallup, and there was no shady characters there.
Bills such as this are often just the tip of the iceberg. Don't put it past a Democrat controlled Congress to modify or amend this bill into much stricter stance down the road. They allow the initial knee-jerk anti-legislation reaction to simmer down then amend it piecemeal until they can stranglehold private gun ownership altogether.
This is what is happening with the DUI laws, and alcohol in general. It works because people are blind to the long-term goal when they only see bits and pieces being whittled away. With our limited attention span these clippings seem to go by without much notice. The same will hold true for gun laws.
Remember, the smoking laws originally only covered restaurants. Then it was bars, the one place people expected to come out smelling like a 3-pack a day smoker. Now, even outdoor sporting events are smokeless. Your cars and homes are next.
Whittle away at a twig long enough and eventually you make your point.
Registration.
we already keep sale records.
no need for database for the government. better left to the LE eyes only as it is now instead of government which changes political parties once in a while and always try to ban ****.
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