Reply With QuoteTotaly unuseful video (I can't read worms !).
I am expecting pictures of the Georgian army ... A lot of stuff has been lost/destroyed what about the rest !
From what I saw AKS-74 and AKM for 100%.Originally Posted by Andarius-Militarius
Totaly unuseful video (I can't read worms !).
I am expecting pictures of the Georgian army ... A lot of stuff has been lost/destroyed what about the rest !
propagan-duh.means that we only become successful because G-soldiers have an orderds not to shoot at us Russkie demolishers.
btw, i'm curious too about current state of Georgian military.
A remarkably bitter and offtopic video.
Would be interesting to see what Georgia is going to do with their armed forces in near future
Georgian leopard 2's and F16's?
I hope this guy is ok. This war was really a civil war. I hope Saka will be brought to justice for starting Ossetian conflict.
Hmmm, they had the orders? From whom?propagan-duh.
btw, i'm curious too about current state of Georgian military.
What ever works to deal with the defeat, at least"we" understand that/
I hear Georgian army went through massive "restructurisation" in a past few weeks with significant personnel "cutbacks". Bases "closed", equipment "utilised", planes "grounded" etc. Is it true?I mean
Well If EU states are not paying for them I'm all for it. Go Georgian F-16sWould be interesting to see what Georgia is going to do with their armed forces in near future
Georgian leopard 2's and F16's?
But yeah I did expect georgian army to do A LOT better then they did i guess I bought all the vids and photos of the new gear they...amm had.
good luck to Georgia. Anyone know their military causalities in Iraq and in recent war? thx.
I hope this guy is ok. This war was really a civil war. I hope Saka will be brought to justice for starting Ossetian conflict.
Same, I hope he is ok, He could have in been in Iraq when it happened. Rest IN peace for all the fallen Soldiers.
In Iraq, 3 killed, 1 suicide, 1 dead in car accident and 19 wounded.
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=18470
http://www.america.gov/st/peacesec-e...ml?CP.rss=true
nited States Will Help Rebuild Georgia’s Military
Russian withdrawal overdue, says EUCOM commander
A U.S. cargo plane delivers humanitarian aid in Tbilisi.
By David I. McKeeby
Staff Writer
Washington -- The Pentagon plans to deliver new security assistance to Georgia to help safeguard the emerging South Caucasus democracy, say U.S. Defense Department officials.
“We will have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror,” says General John Craddock, head of the U.S. European Command.
Craddock, who also serves as NATO’s supreme allied commander, was visiting Georgia with U.S. Agency for International Development Administrator Henrietta Fore to evaluate relief efforts launched by President Bush. (See “Russia Must End Military Assault in Georgia, Bush Says.”)
Since Bush’s August 13 announcement of humanitarian aid to Georgia, the U.S. Air Force has conducted 25 airlifts delivering over $10.5 million in aid supplies, including medicine, bedding, water and other essentials for approximately 80,000 refugees fleeing the conflict who are sheltering in more than 600 centers set up in and around the Georgian capital, Tbilisi.
Including families who fled Georgia, as many as 158,000 people are now homeless as a result of Russia’s August 8 military assault on its southern neighbor over the disputed South Ossetia region, according to the United Nations. (See “More U.S. Relief Headed for Victims of Georgia Conflict.”)
Russian forces rapidly overwhelmed Georgia’s much smaller military, and remain deep inside Georgian territory -- well beyond the boundaries of South Ossetia and a second separatist region, Abkhazia, despite Russian President Dmitry Medvedev’s repeated pledge to honor a six-point truce brokered by the European Union.
“There are indications, but not enough to make us believe that it's going as fast as it should,” Craddock said of Moscow’s latest promise to pull out completely by August 22. “Russia should honor its commitment to withdraw, the sooner the better. It's overdue already.”
The United States works closely with Georgia to promote mutual security and counterterrorism interests. Since its independence, Georgia has been a member of NATO’s Partnership for Peace, and in 2001, the United States stepped up security assistance to help Georgia prevent insurgents from using the country’s Pankisi Gorge region as a safe haven for forces fighting in Russia’s Chechnya conflict.
The United States has provided English-language and military-professionalism training through the International Military Education and Training program. The Georgia Train and Equip Program promoted the military’s modernization and its institutional reform until 2004, when it was replaced by the Georgia Sustainment and Stability Operations Program, aimed at training Georgian forces to more effectively take part in international peacekeeping operations.
Since then, Georgia has provided troops to international coalitions helping new democratic governments in both Iraq and Afghanistan emerge from decades of conflict and oppressive rule.
Experts say Georgia’s aspiration to join NATO has contributed to its frosty relations with Moscow in recent years, and may explain Russia’s systematic destruction of Georgia’s military infrastructure during its current military operation. Russia has seized Georgian arms and equipment, destroyed Georgia’s Black Sea coast guard vessels and demolished Georgian military bases.
“We need to take a look at the strategic picture now and we need NATO, the European Union to discuss the fact that many assumptions we have made may have changed and we need to take a hard look at this new reality," Craddock said.
Meanwhile, the USS McFaul, a U.S. Navy destroyer, is loaded with humanitarian aid and making its way from the Mediterranean through the Turkish Straits and into the Black Sea bound for Georgia.
The vessel will be followed by the USS Mount Whitney, a U.S. Navy command ship, and the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Dallas, which will be carrying additional aid supplies, including blankets, hygiene kits and baby food. They are expected to dock in Georgia “within the next week,” says the Pentagon.
Craddock will report to the Pentagon on his meetings with Georgian officials to assess the country’s continuing security and humanitarian needs. “I think that [assistance] is probably going to happen. It's a matter of how much and how fast,” he said
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LL732584.htm
U.S. expects to help Georgia rebuild military
21 Aug 2008 15:10:02 GMT
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(Adds quotes from Saakashvili, USAID) By David Brunnstrom TBILISI, Aug 21 (*******) - The United States expects to help Georgia rebuild its military after it was swept aside by Russia's much larger forces in the conflict over South Ossetia, a top U.S. general said on Thursday. General John Craddock's comments, made during a trip to Georgia, were enthusiastically taken up by President Mikheil Saakashvili, who said his country needed more military muscle. "One would assume ... we would have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror, they've been helpful. They are going to ask us, I am sure, to replace and rebuild," Craddock, who is in charge of the U.S. European Command, told reporters. He said he would assess Georgia's needs during his visit, due to end on Friday, and report back to the Pentagon. "I think that (assistance) is probably going to happen. It's a matter of how much and how fast," he added. Saakashvili told a news briefing after meeting Craddock: "We need to rebuild the military, we need to make them stronger." The Georgian leader added: "We need new people trained and we need new equipment and we will work very closely with the U.S. to get all of this." Conflict between Georgia and Russia erupted when Georgia tried to reimpose control over its breakaway, pro-Russian South Ossetia region on Aug. 7-8. Russia responded with a strong counter-attack that overwhelmed much smaller Georgian forces. It sent its troops deep inside Georgia proper, well beyond South Ossetia and a second separatist region, Abkhazia. Craddock said the Russian withdrawal from Georgia appeared "slower than it ought to be" under the terms of a French-brokered peace accord, and it was unclear if it would have pulled out completely by Friday as Moscow has promised. CHANGED ASSUMPTIONS Craddock said the purpose of his visit was also to assess humanitarian needs and he travelled to Tbilisi with the head of the U.S. government aid agency USAID. "My intent here is to understand better and find out how we can be more helpful if that's needed," he said. USAID head Henrietta Fore said the visit aimed to show that "the American people are behind the people of Georgia" and to look at how to help displaced people and families whose homes have been destroyed. U.S. military aircraft have flown in more than 200 short tons (180,000 kg) of relief supplies, including ready-made meals, shelter materials and bedding in the past week to assist Georgians forced from their homes by the fighting, U.S. officials said. Analysts say Russia has used the conflict to deal a firm blow to the military capacity of aspiring NATO-member Georgia, which has been upgrading its resources with a view to joining the U.S.-dominated military alliance. In what was seen as a clear message to NATO, the Russian army destroyed in the past week a hoard of Georgian arms and ammunition at the Senaki base in western Georgia, a showpiece built to NATO standards under Saakashvili. Craddock, who is also NATO's top operational commander, did not make any recommendations about NATO's response but said the South Ossetia conflict showed NATO allies they should pursue efforts to make their armies "agile, flexible and deployable". "We need to take a look at the strategic picture now and we need NATO, the European Union to discuss that fact that many assumptions we have made may have changed and we need to take a hard look at this new reality," he said. (Writing by Mark John, editing by Mark Trevelyan)
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