Reply With QuoteTaliban will have no chance with NATO in normal war, that why tehy are resistance.
162 Georgians Soldiers killed.Originally Posted by peter.pl
My comparison to the German-Polish war, was not about the number dead, but at the difference in equipment. Poles & Georgians were both not even close to being comparable to their adversaries. You also have to remember this Georgia only had 9 Su 25 ground attack air crafts 2 navy vessels, granted they had SAMS these were suppressed by Russian Air power and number.
Taliban too are just as good as anyone with a rifle, and as a Pole you would understand the situation there. Plus you forget that their are specialized South Ossetian units (OMON).
Taliban will have no chance with NATO in normal war, that why tehy are resistance.
Whatever. That's why thousands of Georgian soldiers and hundreds of Georgian Junkers ( Officers ) were shiped to Poland and hired by Pilsudski after the Russo-Ottoman invaison of Georgia in 1921. Many of them were high decorated officers in the Polish army during WW2. One of them was General Alexandre Chkheidze who made a lot of trouble against the German corps advancing into Poland and Warsaw. He later became also a victim of the Katyn massacre. Then General Valerian Tevzadze, second in command for the defence of Warsaw. He got the Order 'Virtuti Militari' for destroying more than 30 German tanks during the first German wave into the capital against poorly armed Polish infantry units. Tevzadze worked with the polish underground movement untill the fall of the sovjet union. Hundreds others showed their courage on Polish soil during the war. Poland pretty much welcomed and used the foreign assistance because it were mostly highly educated officers which also passed Higher War Schools. There were mostly Georgians, but also many Ukrainians, Armenians, Azeris aso, who joined the Polish army and underground.
About the war in Georgia. There were many factors playing a giant role there. Corruption, political betrayal on many issues, Russian preparations aso. To put the facts streight:
1. The Georgian army, away from all the silly propaganda, was never prepared and sightly weakened because of vacation and inprisonment of 5.000 servicemen at that time.
2. The Georgian government dismissed all commanding officers and replaced them with governmental officials. President Saakashvili manouvered his forces via mobile phone and took over the most simple commands, very often in microphobic scale, like single gun batteries.
3. The Georgian Reserve Forces programm was implemented as much ill as possible. Not more than 5.000 men out of a capacity of 100.000 could be gathered on several rally points. Total logistical failure and again, this task was taken over by governmental officials. Devastating results. 300-500 headed to Gori on their own, just to withness how thousands of Georgian regulars were retreating without any leadership at place.
4. The Russian army could not attack more ideal and better than it did. Operational movement from three directions: Black Sea, Abkhazia and South-Ossetia. Marine units consisiting of up to 4.000 men landed in Poti, while the Air Force and Artillery took over the job to bomb Georgian military bases, communication centers, checkpoints and the 4rth Infantry Brigade with villages. Thousands of Russian wheeled and tracked vehicles and up to 180 MBTs entered alone in South-Ossetia. Thousands of additional forces entered Abkhazia and reainforced the allready massive reinforced troops in and around Sokhumi. Years of preparation, dozens of military exercizes on both seperated Georgian soils and the mass gathering of Russian Forces a few weeks before the war,at the border, made a quick Russian response possible. Simple.
If you as a commander, gather a bulk of everything and throw them into the center of a city, then you can't expect any fine results for your side. I hope you get a better overview now.
Stupid decision are stupid, don't try to justifiy it. bla bla bla
Justify what ? That's stupid. If you wan't a conversation, that at least read what the others write.
bought them may be?
Finnaly straight informationThat's why thousands of Georgian soldiers and hundreds of Georgian Junkers ( Officers ) were shiped to Poland and hired by Pilsudski after the Russo-Ottoman invaison of Georgia in 1921. Many of them were high decorated officers in the Polish army during WW2. One of them was General Alexandre Chkheidze who made a lot of trouble against the German corps advancing into Poland and Warsaw. He later became also a victim of the Katyn massacre. Then General Valerian Tevzadze, second in command for the defence of Warsaw. He got the Order 'Virtuti Militari' for destroying more than 30 German tanks during the first German wave into the capital against poorly armed Polish infantry units. Tevzadze worked with the polish underground movement untill the fall of the sovjet union. Hundreds others showed their courage on Polish soil during the war. Poland pretty much welcomed and used the foreign assistance because it were mostly highly educated officers which also passed Higher War Schools. There were mostly Georgians, but also many Ukrainians, Armenians, Azeris aso, who joined the Polish army and underground.
There were 6 Georgian officers in Polish Army, they were prepered to help in introducing independence in Georgia. Never heard about that.
After geocides made by UPA Ukrainians were not welcomed in biggest Polish underground organisations.but also many Ukrainians,[...] who joined the Polish army and underground.
I know that, you have only one chance to make some bigger victories in this war, just after attack on S.Ossetia. But as you said you had a lot of problems and factors.About the war in Georgia. There were many factors playing a giant role there. Corruption, political betrayal on many issues, Russian preparations aso. To put the facts streight:
At least 6 notable commanders .... and hundreds of officers of lower ranks + the part of Georgian forces, which fleed after 1921. Possibly several thousands served togheter with Poles. I think that is something memorable and as we know Georgians, each of them surely gave everything to defend Poland.Finnaly straight information
There were 6 Georgian officers in Polish Army, they were prepered to help in introducing independence in Georgia. Never heard about that.
After geocides made by UPA Ukrainians were not welcomed in biggest Polish underground organisations.
I know that, you have only one chance to make some bigger victories in this war, just after attack on S.Ossetia. But as you said you had a lot of problems and factors.
Comon man, you don't have to explain yourself to those ungrateful cowards. Do you know a story about Stalin and Roosevelt? The sources say that they could not agree on anything except one thing, that Polish were terrible people. So leave him alone he is trolling and will end up causing the closure of this thread.
According to Georgian Defense ministry it is 161 killed + 9 missing in action = 170
http://www.mod.gov.ge/2008/list/sia-E.html
You are right, 9 missing is automatically 9 KIA in that region. They probably got tortured.
really? can you enlighten us more?
Caucasus ? Not that I know anything about what happened to them, but I pretty much assume that they were not spared from torture before beeing probably killed ?
I mean, tapes like these don't give you too much hope:
In both cases it were armed seperatists. I don't think that Russians would have done it, because they are just beating POVs a bit like Georgians. That's normal, but 20 men beaing up a half dead POV is just ****ing cowardly.
Last edited by GeneralL; 04-27-2010 at 06:15 AM.
Missing in Action simply means that their bodies weren't found. It doesn't automatically mean that they were caught alive by the opponent. Maybe their bodies lay in a ditch, a forrest or another hard to find place were nobody found them or were buried by earth or rubble or (excuse my tasteless language) they were blown to pieces so that nothing remains that can be found. To automatically assume that they were caught alive and tortured to death, while not impossible, is very inadequate.
[QUOTE = GeneralL; 4912991] Кавказе? Не то чтобы я знаю ничего о том, что с ними произошло, но я довольно много предположить, что они не избавлены от пыток до beeing, возможно, убили?
Я имею в виду такие ленты не предоставляют слишком большие надежды:
[Видео = юность; cp8P-N0rAQQ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp8P-...eature=related [видео]
[Видео = юность; xkx_jAGx06E] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkx_jAGx06E [видео]
В обоих случаях это были вооружены seperatists. Я не думаю, что русские сделали бы это, потому что они просто избивать POVs похоже грузин. Это нормально, но 20 мужчин beaing до полумертвого POV просто **** ING трусливы. [/ QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2d2npmU_qg
When the Georgian soldiers killed peace citizens they did not reflect that waits for them punishment!!!!
And now when payment has come it appears at it there were children and a family, only when it killed peace citizens it about it did not think!!!
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