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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteGeorge View Post
    At 1:19 was scene where a camera man got shot accidently in a shoothouse.
    They used live rounds when someone was on their way filming it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herman the II View Post
    Not bad. Georgia really starts to impress me. Not many countries of that scale produce their own IFVs or MRLSs.
    A reopening of the old Su25 line would be even more remarkable. Good luck to Georgia, hopefully they can find some export customers...
    Not surprised about Georgia's indigenous military projects, but I'm am surprised how quick they've have been developing them though. Hopefully, they will find a way to export them though in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeinen View Post
    They used live rounds when someone was on their way filming it?
    that incident is bit controversial. I'm not intending to roll up some conspiracy, but it's very strange as they usualy do not use live rounds, at least when people are filming.

    Not surprised about Georgia's indigenous military projects, but I'm am surprised how quick they've have been developing them though. Hopefully, they will find a way to export them though in the near future.
    With a bit more energy from US side, we could have developed some more stuff

    Are there actualy any other reports of Georgia producing assault rifles, as the President statet it some days ago .... ?

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    douple-post. Sorry again.

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    Default Barack Obama Visited Georgian Wounded Soldier

    President of the United States of America Barack Obama visited the Georgian military servicemen LTC Alexander Tughushi wounded in Afghanistan. President Barack Obama visited Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, on March 2 where LTC Alexander Tughushi undergoes medical rehabilitation course. President Barack Obama talked with LTC Alexander Tughushi. Tughushi's cousin, Alexi Gogrichiani, is also pictured. Official White House Photo was taken by Pete Souza.Before the US President the Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili visited the same Medical Center and awarded LTC Alexander Tughushi with the I rank Vakhtang Gorgasali Order. LTC Alexander Tughushi served under the US peace contingent in Helmand province within the ISAF (International Security Assistance Force) peacekeeping mission.
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    PKM is not still standart LMG ... Right ??

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    PK is standart issue gpmg or mmg. Negev has become standart issue squad automatic rifle or lmg.

    It's like US using SAW and M240G

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    Oh i understand Yea PK is Multi-Function MG and u can use it everywhere, IMI Negev is good choise but some other LMG's better than Negev ... Mg-4 probably good choice i think

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    Armored BM-21 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ametos View Post
    Oh i understand Yea PK is Multi-Function MG and u can use it everywhere, IMI Negev is good choise but some other LMG's better than Negev ... Mg-4 probably good choice i think
    ..... tell that the Germans. They cried like little kids about that G-36 "affair".



    Yeah, basically modernized BM-21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunal Biswas View Post
    Armored BM-21 ?
    The machine has got an armored cab capable to protect the crew of five men from ballots and fragments.
    http://mod.gov.ge/index.php?page=77&lang=1&type=1&Id=1314

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    Tbilisi Building Up Weapons Manufacturing Capabilities
    MARCH 05, 2012
    By Molly Corso


    Georgia is set to test its own domestically designed and built artillery system on March 3. In scheduling the event the day before Russia’s presidential election, officials in Tbilisi appeared to be firing a figurative shot at their nemesis – the Kremlin’s paramount leader Vladimir Putin.


    The planned test is part of a Georgian push to develop the country’s defense manufacturing capabilities. In late February, Georgia unveiled a 14-ton infantry combat vehicle, called Lazika. After taking a ride in one of the armored vehicles, President Mikheil Saakashvili praised it as a “new level of development” that could shift Georgia from buyer to seller in international arms markets.


    Georgia has pressed to improve its combat capabilities since its disastrous war with Russia in 2008. Many analysts say the development of Tbilisi’s defense industries won’t do much to make Georgia more secure in a potential conflict against a military power like Russia. They see it mostly as an exercise in national pride. “[T]his government is trying to improve national morale [by saying], ‘Look, we are producing this,’” said Alexander Rondeli, president of the Georgian Foundation for Strategic and International Studies. “We calculated that we could create [a] certain capacity and it is great that we produce something.”


    One veteran analyst with close ties to senior Georgian government officials maintains that Georgia’s domestic military production is a way to sidestep a “kind of blockade” on arms sales to Tbilisi, one that has been informally in place since 2008. Officials in Washington and Tbilisideny that a formal arms embargo exists.


    For some, developing domestic arms manufacturing is a necessary response to a national security threat that continues to emanate from Russia. The “Russians are concentrating their best weaponry in the North Caucasus, in Abkhazia, in South Ossetia. Night vision helicopters, the most modern tanks,” noted Rondeli. “How is Georgia supposed to feel?”


    These days, drones and armored vehicles top the government’s known military projects, although President Saakashvili has alluded to other equipment, including automatic rifles. No public information exists for projected costs or production plans. It’s likewise not known how much state funds are being poured into defense manufacturing projects.


    Some analysts have speculated that US technical assistance with design and engineering facilitated Georgia’s decision to start producing rather than buying such equipment. The February 22 visit of US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Celeste Wallander to Tbilisi added fuel to such speculation. The US embassy in Tbilisi did not respond in time for publication to requests for comment about American defense cooperation with Georgia.


    One military analyst who formerly served as a British defense attaché in the South Caucasus argues that Lazika is “not state of the art” and “well within the capabilities of a small country like Georgia.”


    The Lazika, manufactured by Delta, the Georgian Ministry of Defense’s research center, boasts armor designed to stop 14.5-mm armor-piercing rounds, and is equipped with a 23-mm-caliber cannon and 7.62-mm-caliber machine gun. Last May, the government unveiled two other armored carriers, the Didgori 1 and Didgori 2, during the Independence Day military parade.


    The vehicle gives the Georgian army greater mobility -- a problem encountered during its 2008 war. But does not represent “a military capabilities shift.” said Christopher Langton, director of the London-based Independent Conflict Research & Analysis think-tank. “Lazika is symbolically influential in domestic terms and also an upgrade in the capabilities for Georgian infantry,” Langton said. In case of war, however, it is “not really going to hold the horns from the north at bay for very long.”


    An examination of publically available Georgian Defense Ministry spending data on research and development indicates that the idea to increase Georgia’s own military production capabilities has existed for some time. While Georgia’s overall defense budget shrank between 2010 and 2011 (from 728 million lari, or $443 million, in 2010 to 711 million lari, or $432 million, in 2011), the money earmarked for research and development more than quadrupled during the same period -- from 4.02 million lari (about $2.42 million) in 2010 to 18.6 million lari ($11.18 million) in 2011, according to state budget documents. R&D figures for 2012 are not available; the 2012 defense budget stands at 675 million lari, or $410 million.


    A project likely to fuel further speculation about Pentagon participation in Georgia’s armament plans is a plan for Georgian-manufactured spy planes, or drones. Parliamentary Defense Committee Chairperson Givi Targamadze first mentioned the drone project, which follows on the heels of a ditched contract with Israeli drone manufacturer Elbit, in an interview with Pirveli news agency earlier this month.


    Targamadze was not available for comment, but Tbilisi Airplane Manufacturing, a Soviet-era factory that was renationalized in 2010, is thought to be the Georgian drones’ production facility.


    Under private ownership, the factory was producing lightweight aircraft using materials similar to those needed for drones, said Irakli Aladashvili, editor-in-chief of the military journal Arsenali. The plant, bombed by Russia during the 2008 war, also once manufactured Soviet fighter jets like the Sukhoi SU-25. “[In] that factory, they have built thousands of planes. …So they would have no problems building something like a drone,” Aladashvili said. The Georgian Ministry of Defense, which now owns the factory, did not respond to emailed questions about the drones, or other equipment under production.


    Editor's note: Molly Corso is a freelance journalist who also works as editor of Investor.ge, a monthly publication by the American Chamber of Commerce in Georgia.


    URL: http://www.eurasianet.org/node/65076
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    yeah great comparison Aladashvili .... -.-^ I mean, TAM definitly has same potential as it had 40-60 years ago .............................

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