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    Wilders big winner of Dutch EU elections
    The Party for Freedom of the populist politician Geert Wilders becomes the second biggest party representing in the Netherlands in Europe.


    Geert Wilders and his populist Party for Freedom (PVV) appeared to be the big winners of Thursday's elections for European parliament in the Netherlands. Exit polls released soon after the Dutch voting stations closed at 9 p.m. on Thursday evening predicted he would get four of the 25 Dutch seats in the European parliament, making the PVV the second largest of all Dutch parties in Brussels.
    Wilders, who has become popular in the Netherlands running on an anti-Islam and anti-political establishment platform, promised voters he would be tough on immigration and criticised Turkey's bid to join the EU. "Should Turkey as an Islamic country be able to join the European Union? We are the only party in Holland that says, it is an Islamic country, so no, not in 10 years, not in a million years," Wilders said.


    The other party in the Netherlands to be strengthened by these elections is the left-wing liberal - and most outspoken pro-European party in the Netherlands - D66. It grew from one to three seats in the European parliament. The boost for these two parties showed that Dutch voters are moving to the fringes of the political spectrum.


    Labour, one of the three parties who make-up the ruling coalition government in the Netherlands, suffered a blow and lost four of its seven seats. The Christian democrats, prime minister Jan Peter Balkenende's party, looked set to retain five of their current seven seats.


    Voter turnout was at 40 percent, a fraction higher than in 2004, the last time Europe-wide elections were held.


    Only the Dutch and the British voted for the EU parliament on Friday. The other 25 EU member states will go to the polls over the weekend.


    European rules say countries are not allowed to release the results of the elections until all polling stations across the bloc close on Sunday evening, because results from other nations could influence those who have yet to vote.



    However, the Netherlands stress the importance of transparency and the fact that today's results from the municipalities are provisional. The official result from the Netherlands will only be announced on Sunday evening.


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    An Islam bashing populist xenophobe..Great victory for democracy indeed.

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    He is going to be the prime minister of netherlands in the next comming years no? I read before some time that he is leading the polls. Its nice that they also have right wing politicans and not only left wing that control most of the EU countries.

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    Perhaps it might be a good thing to find out why "An Islam bashing populist xenophobe" got the vote. Could it be that a lot of Dutchmen feel he has a point ? And perhaps the liberal left might considering getting down from its ivory tower and finding out ?

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    Same will happen in other countries of Europe as well sooner or later. Too bad none of the mainstream parties offer possibilities for people critical of multiculturalism and mass immigration to get their voice heard. As a consequence, they have to resort to parties like BNP and Party for Freedom because there just aren't any moderate alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsoak View Post
    Perhaps it might be a good thing to find out why "An Islam bashing populist xenophobe" got the vote. Could it be that a lot of Dutchmen feel he has a point ? And perhaps the liberal left might considering getting down from its ivory tower and finding out ?
    Because, as usual, moderates don't stand up and let the extremist loudmouths run the show. Thats why.

    As slightly off topic I'm always amazed to see complete atheists like Wilders defend "Our Judeo Christian civilisation" against Islam, just like a bad reenactment of struggles that happened centuries ago.

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    Well, he understands the radical islam and and if he gets stronger probably there is a reason for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsoak View Post
    And perhaps the liberal left might considering getting down from its ivory tower and finding out ?
    They won't. They are morally superior and special.

    Quote Originally Posted by kosse View Post
    Same will happen in other countries of Europe as well sooner or later. Too bad none of the mainstream parties offer possibilities for people critical of multiculturalism and mass immigration to get their voice heard. As a consequence, they have to resort to parties like BNP and Party for Freedom because there just aren't any moderate alternatives.
    In Switzerland the largest political party SVP is also the most right wing when comparing mainstream parties and the 5th most right wing when minor parties are taken into account (Swiss Democrats, Confederatic Democratic Union (Christian fundamentalists), Freedom Party (ex Car drivers party) and Party of Nationally Oriented Swiss are further to the right).

    Good thing is the SVP had a moderate wing in the cantons of Bern and Grisons,they seceded and formed their own party called BDP. The SVP lost a few guys but now only the hardliners are left.

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    Congratulations liberalist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hueresiech View Post
    They won't. They are morally superior and special.
    good thing they're not in charge then huh?

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    I don't quite understand how someone known for wanting to ban a book can become a champion of free speech.

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    I'm happy about the results. The Dutch have recognized the signs of the times ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldsoak View Post
    Perhaps it might be a good thing to find out why "An Islam bashing populist xenophobe" got the vote. Could it be that a lot of Dutchmen feel he has a point ? And perhaps the liberal left might considering getting down from its ivory tower and finding out ?
    Dissatisfaction with Europe, and the current Pro-Brussels government is the main cause for Wilders' massive gain, IMHO. The Dutch population is very euro-skeptical(government always makes sure we're the best behaved boy in the classroom, and yet we get screwed by the EU) and very Turkey-skeptical. We already have little influence in the Union, which could reduce even further if another large country joins.

    Wilders doesn't have a incredibly detailed 'anti-EU, More NL' plan. It's just that he's the most rabiate anti-eu. People voted for the PVV to give Balkie and the EU the finger. It may very possibly not reflect what will happen in the next national, provincial or municipal elections. the PVV could for example get big on the national stage, but if they don't have enough people to participate on the lower levels, or don't win in those, the PVV will be limited in power.

    Add to that the fact that Dutch governments are always coalitions, and that the other big parties have already shown they are very hesitant to be in any ruling coalition that also contains the PVV, and there ya go.
    Wilders' rise is just a indication of the growing dissatisfaction of the ethnic Dutch/non-muslim part of the population with the last few administrations. It was the same with Fortuyn, and guess what happened with the LPF? It tanked, due to infighting......

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    It was the same with Fortuyn, and guess what happened with the LPF?
    Yeah, a left-wing extremist shot him! Great understanding of democracy and freedom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustav View Post
    Because, as usual, moderates don't stand up and let the extremist loudmouths run the show. Thats why.
    Ha-ha,ha. You don't watch tv.
    As slightly off topic I'm always amazed to see complete atheists like Wilders defend "Our Judeo Christian civilisation" against Islam, just like a bad reenactment of struggles that happened centuries ago.
    Did you ever bother to read his interviews or what he is writing?
    Do you actually know what country you live in, how did you get the law system, values set etc? Where from?

    He can be a jerk as much as he is, but he has good advisers and does have pretty strong political point. Especially strong since nobody else bothers much with intercultural problems in the Nl.

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