Vukovar - photos and video from battle - Read the first post!

[YANKEEBOBB]

Lemme get a couple pics in here before this thread goes boom!!

[YANKEEBOBB]

[YANKEEBOBB]

[Kowakian ML]

JNA looks pathetic considering that they had entire government behind them that spent billions on them during 50 years of communist rule.

Check out the toothless guy for example, disgrace. OK, someone will say that these are pictures of irregulars, but in that case all pictures of soldiers in Vukovar I've seen are from irregulars.

[cinoeye]

Lot of JNA people where army reserve, not motivated for fight, or regular 18,19 year old kids. And it is true, most of their gear was bad. In the beginning of war each side looked pretty bad.
Loook for SRPSKA DOBROVOLJACKA GARDA, BELI ORLOVI, SČP...

[The Balkan]

Umm, wow.

[YANKEEBOBB]

Woohoo!!! Hell yeah!!! This guy would fit in good down here in South Carolina... Just put him in a pickup truck... I love that pic, Serb redneck!!

[G-AWZT]

Jeez the Taliban look better in the field than these guys.

[Muc91]

Photos by James Mason:

The real fighting had been over for about 10 days when I took this photo. There was still gunfire and the Serbs warned me not to go down certain streets because "the Ustashi" were down there. The devastation of this scene was not confined to a small area. This is the way all of Vukovar looked.

The whole town looked like this. There was no section left untouched.

I visited Vukovar about two weeks after it fell. I didn't have a clue what was going on, but Globus, the Zagreb weekly newspaper, figured I'd be able to roam around Serbian controlled areas without anybody getting upset. I took the train to Beograd and rented a car. It was an interesting time. There were very few people in the town, and most of them were quite traumatized. The place was absolutely shredded by explosives.

I was surprised to see this Land Rover with a group from Green Peace cruising Vukovar, as there was still fighting going on in some neighborhoods. But after talking to them I realized that war is a serious ecological disaster. That had never occurred to me. They were looking around at what sort of damage had been done to the natural environment

On August 14th 1992, 714 Croatian POW and civilians were exchanged in the village of Nemetin near Osijek. A lot of them participated in the defense of Vukovar. Photos by James Mason.

Thousands of people were waiting in the Osijek town square to find out what happened to missing relatives, most of whom disappeared at Vukovar. When the first bus arrived the crowd surged foward. It was one of those scenes where people were holding up pictures of missing sons or fathers, or signs asking "have you seen Pero Simic?"

Two of these men were exchanged by the Serbs at Nemetin. The man on the right had heard no word of his brothers during their detention.

The woman in the yellow shirt was interned by the Serbs in the early days of the war. She was released at Nemetin. Waiting for her were her husband, a policeman, and their young son.

[jackehammond]

I don't think it would have been a hard decision. Vukovar is basically at the Northern tip of Croatia, seperated to Serbia only by the Danube River. You can see how easily it would have been to leap frog around the city and cut it off, from a strategic and military objective to send in huge reinforcements (that simply weren't available) would most likely have meant that they would have indeed been cut off and valuable resources lost that could have otherwise been used at new defensive lines.

The greatest failure was by the JNA and Serb Para's for laying siege to Vukovar and wasting resources in the battle that cost them the most precious thing in most wars - time.

Dear Member,

Just my opinion, but it should "always" be a hard decision for a military commander to allow a beige warfare be leveled against a major urban area. And it should never be done at a sense of false pride for the sake of destruction for destruction sake.

Yes, at times there is no choice. But it should never be Plan-A or a decision taken lightly.

Finally, as I stated just my opinion.

Jack E. Hammond

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[YANKEEBOBB]

Check out the toothless guy for example, disgrace. OK, someone will say that these are pictures of irregulars, but in that case all pictures of soldiers in Vukovar I've seen are from irregulars.

What should he look like? Would it be a better war if the guy looked like Stallone in Rambo?

They were mostly reservists & irregulars. You can find pics like this from all sides, Bosnians, Serbs, Albanians, & Croats. None had propper suplies at first. Many of the Reservists were older guys and they didn't have the JNA there supplying them but they had their reserve kit and uniforms. They like the other sides used what they could and fought with what they had war isn't pretty. War came quick and many were'nt ready for it. You look at these guys on all sides and you can see the sh*t they went though.

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[Wolf_warrior]

Ah, Marko Babić and Blago Zadro. (Zadro has blue police uniform, and Babić is holding his hand on Zadro's shoulder)
The "Heroes of Vukovar". Very notable fighters.
Zadro vas commander for defence of Borovo Naselje and Babić has destroyed about 14-16 enemy tanks with his M79 "Osa" rocket launcher in Vukovar

An this is what they used M80 "Zolja", and M79 "Osa"

M79 "Osa"
The 90 mm M79 Manual Rocket Launcher (Ručni bacač raketa - 90 mm M79) nicknamed "Osa" (a word meaning wasp) is a light, reusable, and effective rocket launcher system made of fiber-reinforced plastics. It consists of the launcher, the CN-6 Sighting piece, a rocket, and the carrying case for the rocket. While primarily intended as an anti-tank weapon, the M79 can also be used against fortifications and in an anti-personnel fashion. It is made to reload quickly and is very portable. It is extremely similar in design to the M90 Rocket Launcher.




M80 "Zolja"
The M80 "Zolja" is a portable one-shot disposable 64 mm anti-tank weapon, designed in the former Yugoslavia. The M80 Zolja is still produced in the Republic of Serbia also in the Republic of Macedonia by 1Oktomvri -
Eurokompozit.

[SATNIK]

Vukovar hero city
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDjOm...eature=related

[ko3apa]

they hardly took a minor town like vukovar (pop. 30000), how the hell would they take a city like osijek (pop. 165.253 in 1991.)?!

Sorry to go off topic but have to answer this . If you look at maps of areas controled by serbian forces you will see that Osijek area was nearly suronded with serbian forces to north,east and south. Population makes no difference, look at berlin in ww2.