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    Exclamation Can we name World Uygur Youth Congress a terrorist group?

    If not, why we held them up in guantanamo bay for so many years? and why they are not allowed to stay in US? are they behind this cruel riots in xinjiang right after they got out military prison?

    Profiles of 11 identified terrorists linked to al qaeda:

    ** Hasan Mahsum (also known as Ashan Sumut or Hasang Zunduluohe), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Alaf Township in Shule (Kunixar) County, Kashi Prefecture of Xinjiang, he now heads the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement.

    Mahsum gathered together a band of Xinjiang religious extremists to form the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, of which he served as chairman, after he fled abroad in 1997. His gang was responsible for a murder in Moyu County of Hotan on December 14, 1999, and robberies and murders cases on February 4 the same year in Urumqi. In total, six innocent people were killed.

    ** Muhanmetemin Hazret, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1950. A native of Moyu County in Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang. He established the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization in 1996. He is behind a series of robberies and murders in Central Asian nations like Kazakhstan and Kirghizstan.

    ** Dolqun Isa, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born on September 2, 1967. A native of Aksu, Xinjiang, he is one of the key members of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization and has been head of the World Uygur Youths Congress for many years. Since he fled abroad, he has organized and participated in all sorts of terrorist activities launched by the separatist group.

    ** Abudujelili Kalakash, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, and born in 1960, is a native of Moyu County in Hotan Prefecture, Xinjiang, China. He heads the East Turkistan Information Centre terrorist organization and is a key member of the World Uygur Youths Congress. In April 1999, Kalakash and other die-hard terrorists decided to carry out terrorist activities in Africa, and planned a series of bomb attacks against Chinese embassies there.

    ** Abudukadir Yapuquan (original name Yabudukader Emit), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1958. He is native of Uapqan Township, Shufu County, Kashi Prefecture. He is responsible for organizing and carrying out a series of robberies and murders such as the December 14 case in Moyu County of Hotan Prefecture in 1999 and the February 4 case in Urumqi, which resulted in deaths and injuries of innocent people.

    ** Abudumijit Muhamma-tkelim (also known as Zibibulla), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1967. A native of Shufu County of Kashi, he is one of the chiefs of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement mainly responsible for personnel training and exterior liaison duties.

    ** Abudula Kariaji (formerly named Abudulla Dawut), male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in December 1969. A native of Shache County of Kashi, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement. Kariaji fled to Afghanistan in 1995.

    ** Abulimit Turxun, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Urumqi, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization. He fled abroad in 1997. In early May 1998, he sent terrorists into China who made more than 40 chemical combustible devices and used them in 15 consecutive attacks on big stores and wholesale markets in Urumqi, on May 23. In June 1998, he killed four Uygurs and dismembered their bodies, to prevent possible information leaks by two members who intended to quit the terrorist group.

    ** Hudaberdi Haxerbik, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in August 1970. A native of the Hui Autonomous Township of Yuqunweng in Yining County, Xinjiang, he is a key member of the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization. On April 6, 1998, Hudaberdi Haxerbik smuggled large quantities of arms and ammunition into China.

    ** Yasen Muhammat, alias Yasen Kari, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. He is a native of Boskem Town, Zepu County of Xinjiang. On August 23, 1999, Muhammat and four other terrorists shot dead police officer Hudaberd and his son Aiez in Boskem Township of Zepu County. On October 24, 1999, he and other accomplices shot dead security assistant Altawula, injured police officer Wang Yazhou and security assistant Muhmed Yizemu, and killed Mehmut Yidelis, a suspected thief who was detained at the station.

    ** Atahan Abuduhani, male, of the Uygur ethnic group, was born in 1964. A native of Luoke Town, Yecheng County of Xinjiang, he fled abroad in December 1984, and kept close contact with "Eastern Turkistan" organizations outside China. In August 1991, Atahan Abuduhani smuggled 7 handguns and 180 bullets into China, with which his accomplices robbed a security van belonging to the Shayar County branch of the Agricultural Bank of China in Xinjiang on November 13 that year.

    Terror list with links to al-Qaeda unveiled
    ( 2003-12-16 01:31) (China Daily)

    China Monday released the names of four "Eastern Turkistan" organizations linked to al-Qaeda and 11 ethnic Uygurs wanted on terrorist charges.

    This is the first time the country has issued a list of terrorist organizations and terrorists.

    "The list was determined after careful and discreet identification and examination in accordance with relevant anti-terrorism resolutions by the United Nations, the Criminal Law, the State Security Law and other laws and regulations," said Zhao Yongchen, deputy director of the Anti-terrorism Department under the Ministry of Public Security.

    Calling for tighter international co-operation in the fight against terrorism, Zhao said: "I strongly call on governments of all foreign countries, the law-enforcement organs in particular, to outlaw the four terrorist organizations that China has announced to the public, prohibit their activities, stop supporting, financing or providing safe havens to the organizations, and freeze their assets."

    The organizations are the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization, the World Uygur Youth Congress and the East Turkistan Information Centre.

    He also called on overseas governments to carry out criminal investigations of the 11 terrorists, apprehend them and hand them over to China.

    Since the September 11 incident, China has amended various counter-terrorism laws, developed and improved counter-terrorism co-ordination mechanisms, and adopted a series of measures to prevent acts of terror.

    The measures include strengthening control of hazardous substances like explosives, tightening border controls, intensifying security measures at airports, ports and major infrastructures.

    "We wish to carry out more co-operations in the future with neighbouring countries and countries where the Eastern Turkistan terrorist organizations go rampant," said Zhao.

    He said the government would fight "East Turkistan" terrorism while effectively safeguarding the fundamental interests of people in Xinjiang and other parts of China.

    Zhao stressed the government would target only core members of the terrorist groups who organized, led and participated in terrorist activities and those involved in serious violence.

    The four terrorist organizations in the list were all confirmed to have plotted, organized and executed bombings, assassinations, arsons, poison attacks and other violent terrorist activities in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, the rest of China and neighbouring countries since the 1990s.

    The Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, for instance, was responsible for killings in December 1999 in Moyu County of Hotan Prefecture of Xinjiang.

    It is also accused of committing a robbery and murder case in Urumqi on February 4 the same year, and other acts of terror. In total, the group has killed six innocent people and caused heavy property losses.

    Having been identified by the UN as a terrorist organization, it was funded mainly by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and received training, support and personnel from both the al-Qaeda and the Taliban regime of Afghanistan.

    The Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization also received gift money from al-Qaeda and sent its new recruits, all youths from Xinjiang, to training camps in Afghanistan under Taliban support.

    The organization was responsible for the murder of Chinese diplomat Wang Jianping in Kirghizstan in 2002.

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    And now anger broke out amony chinese public, how the government will deal with it?



    Chinese media bullish over riots

    Initial coverage of the riots by Chinese media focused on factual reporting of events. According to the Chinese news agency Xinhua's report on 5 July, the protests started at about 2000 (1200 GMT) on the day and, by 2330, many innocent civilians and one armed policeman had been killed.

    At 2050 on 5 July, the state-run local Xinjiang TV interrupted its regular programming to air a nine-minute televised speech by Xinjiang Region Chairman Nur Bekri.

    He said "the serious violent criminal incidents" that occurred in Xinjiang's capital, Urumqi, were "premeditated and organised ... and directed from outside". He stressed that the "solidarity" amongst all ethnic groups in the region was "as solid as a rock". He added that all groups would all spurn "the incitement and attacks of the three forces" - meaning terrorism, separatism and extremism.

    This set the tone for subsequent reporting on the riots as other officials appeared on state TV to echo the official line.

    The mayor of Urumqi, Jierla Yishamudin, described police action as "a battle with the three forces". He said on Xinjiang TV: "It is neither an ethnic issue nor a religious issue, but a battle of life and death to defend the unification of our motherland and to maintain the consolidation of all ethnic groups, a political battle that's fierce and of blood and fire."

    Xinjiang Satellite TV quoted Wang Lequan, the secretary of the Xinjiang regional Communist Party committee as saying that the "three forces" had colluded with each other "to incite separatism, violence, and terrorism in the region". Mr Wang accused the leader of the separatist World Uyghur Congress, Rabiya Kadeer, of masterminding the violence.

    'Remotely controlled'


    The use of dramatic imagery on state media helped depict a situation in which apparently violent rioters were perceived to have picked on innocent victims.
    I was surrounded by several rioters ... they kept bashing me... They are really despicable - our lives had been so good, why would they have done such things?
    Taxi-driver, interviewed by Chinese TV


    During its regular scheduled newscast on 6 July, CCTV-4, the international channel of China Central Television, carried an announcer-read report over video showing images of women being kicked on the ground. Another image showed a man covered in blood trying to get up.

    The CCTV-4 report said Uighurs were to blame for the riots. "This was an incident remotely controlled, directed and incited from abroad, and executed inside the country," the commentator said over the images.

    A selection of eyewitness interviews was used to add colour to some of the reports. A CCTV correspondent on location at the Urumqi Friendship Hospital said: "So many people had been rushed to hospital that some had to be treated in corridors."

    The report showed a taxi driver saying: "I was surrounded by several rioters ... they kept bashing me... They are really despicable. Our lives had been so good, why would they have done such things?"

    The reporter said a six-year-old girl was the youngest victim of the riots. "She was beaten when she was out shopping with her grandmother," the reporter said. An unnamed Urumqi resident said: "The rioters beat everyone they saw. They beat people and smashed cars. The girl was hit in the head by a brick. My mother fainted when she saw her."

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    It looks like the media is sending mixed messages.

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    right. guess now public thoughts dip into political "media", it may look like "mixed"


    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    It looks like the media is sending mixed messages.

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    xinjiang, roits turns it into hell...


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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uN32RSb92w

    Is this the Harmonious China that Hu Jintao talks about? I think those are Han Chinese murdering Uighurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acosta View Post
    right. guess now public thoughts dip into political "media", it may look like "mixed"

    It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

    Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
    Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

    Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

    Sick to the core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMiddlePath View Post
    It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

    Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
    Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

    Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

    Sick to the core.
    Good points.

    I think the World leaders are giving China much deference and measured responses.

    I'm surprised the Islamic nations are quiet. How's the mood in Malaysia over this crisis? I recall a generation ago similar clashese between the Malays Muslims and Chinese communities.

    Perhaps some lessons learned from the Malaysian experience can be applied in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acosta View Post
    If not, why we held them up in guantanamo bay for so many years? and why they are not allowed to stay in US? are they behind this cruel riots in xinjiang right after they got out military prison?

    China identifies Eastern Turkistan terrorists


    China's Ministry of Public Security Monday issued a list of the first batch of identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist organizations and 11 members of the groups.

    The identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist organizations are: the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), the Eastern Turkistan Liberation Organization (ETLO), the World Uygur Youth Congress (WUYC) and the Eastern Turkistan Information Center(ETIC).

    The 11 identified "Eastern Turkistan" terrorists are: Hasan Mahsum, Muhanmetemin Hazret, Dolqun Isa, Abudujelili Kalakash, Abudukadir Yapuquan, Abudumijit Muhammatkelim, Abudula Kariaji, Abulimit Turxun, Huadaberdi Haxerbik, Yasen Muhammat, and Atahan Abuduhani.
    This is the first time China issued a list of terrorist organizations and terrorists.
    Source:http://www.chinamission.be/eng/zt/1/t142421.htm

    China identifies alleged "Eastern Turkistan" terrorists
    2009/06/04

    BEIJING, Oct. 21 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Public Security on Tuesday published the identities of eight alleged terrorists connected to the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which has been identified by the United Nations as a terrorist organization.

    Following are their names and the charges against them:

    I. Memetiming Memeti, born in Oct. 10, 1971, and formerly named Memetiming Aximu. A Chinese citizen, he is also known as Abuduhake, Memetiming Qekeman, Muhelisi, Saifuding.
    With primary school education, Memetiming Memeti is head of the ETIM. His Identity number is 653225197110100533.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Participating in and leading the terrorist organization
    In March 1998, Memetiming Memeti illegally exited China and joined the ETIM terrorist organization in a south Asian country. He then became a military trainer in the organization's training camp.
    In November 2003, he became head of the ETIM after its former head Hasan Mahsum was shot dead. He raised funds, recruited terrorists and continued to develop the terrorist organization. He organized physical and military training for dozens of terrorists, and led the ETIM members to continue their violent terrorist activities.
    In January, he issued an order to conduct terrorist attack specifically targeting the Beijing Olympic Games.
    2. Recruiting members for the terrorist organization
    For a long time, Memetiming Memeti has been sending key members of the ETIM to a certain Middle East country to spread separatism and extremism among Chinese people residing there, and trying to persuade them to join the ETIM.
    In 2006, he sent a key ETIM member, Abdushukur, to a south Asian country to persuade young people there to join the terrorist organization by giving financial aid and spreading extremism.
    Beginning 2007, he was very active in recruiting new members, and sent them to undergo training in physical endurance, firearms, military tactics and making explosives and poisons. Their purpose was to sabotage the Beijing Olympics in particular.   
    3. Inciting terrorist activities
    In 2004, Memetiming Memeti organized the production of propaganda discs about the terrorist activities of ETIM former head Hasan Mahsum, and distributed them in China.
    In January 2005, via the ETIM website, he called on the "Xinjiang Uygur people" to support and help the ETIM, and urged "all the Xinjiang muslims" to take part in "jihad".
    In June 2008, he appeared in a video in which terrorism threats were made, which was broadcast on the ETIM website as well as the world's largest video-sharing website. He warned "all the athletes and audience prepared to take part in the Beijing Olympic Games" that "all strength has been concentrated" and "action has been in the implementation phase". He threatened to "give the Chinese government the deadliest strike by the simplest means" and "turn the year 2008 into China's year of condolence".
    4. Masterminding, plotting and implementing terrorist activities
    In August 2004, Memetiming Memeti ordered ETIM terrorists to blast a "Chinese club" in a south Asian nation.
    Since August 2007, he and other leaders of the organization have sent a dozen terrorists to China as well as to Middle East and west Asian countries through illegal channels for anti-Olympic activities.
    Under his guidance, trained terrorists sneaked into China's Xinjiang and other areas, set up terrorist groups, raised funds and bought chemical raw materials for making explosives and poisons, and purchased vehicles for terrorist attacks. They planned to sabotage the Olympic Games by conducting terrorist attacks within the Chinese territory before the Games opened.
    Memetiming Memeti also sent dozens of terrorist teams to some Middle East and west Asian countries to raise funds and buy explosive materials for terrorist attacks against Chinese targets outside Chinese territory.   

    II. Emeti Yakuf, also know as Aibu Abudureheman and Saifula, was born on March 14, 1965. He is a Chinese national with the official identity number of 653127196503140336. He is accused of being a key member of the ETIM, which is recognized by the United Nations as a terrorist group.
    Charges against him include:
    1. In November 1996, Emeti Yakuf illegally exited China for a South Asian country, joined the ETIM there and received terrorism training. In September 1998, he became a key member of the terrorist group. Since 2001, he has acted as ETIM military commander, in charge of recruiting new members, organizing terrorism training, as well as planning and carrying out terrorist attacks.
    2. Since 2001, Emeti Yakuf, directed by another ETIM leader Memetiming Memeti, has recruited people with extremist ideologies in a Middle East country. Since the end of 2007, he ordered ETIM members to enter Chinese territory to prepare terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics.
    3. Emeti Yakuf organized terrorism training camps in a South Asian country, training dozens of extremists in military and terrorist skills. Those trainees were sent to countries in the Middle East and West Asia. Dozens of terrorists were trained for seven months by Emeti Yakuf to learn how to make explosives and poison.
    4. Since 2007, Emeti Yakuf has spread extremist philosophy and terrorism propaganda within China. In June 2008, Emeti Yakuf released an video statement on the ETIM website and a popular video website to stir up so-called "holy war" against the Beijing Olympics, threatening to attack Chinese government employees, service people, police, as well as politicians from Western countries, athletes and spectators, who were in Beijing for the Olympics. They even threatened to use biological and chemical weapons during the Olympic Games.
    5. In January 2008, Emeti Yakuf worked out a detailed plan of terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics. Since August 2007,Emeti Yakuf has sent more than 10 terrorists to China and other countries to find opportunities to initiate explosions. Emeti Yakuf disseminated manuals and formulas on making explosives and poisons. Emeti Yakuf organized funding for ETIM terrorist groups worth hundreds of thousands yuan. Since 2008, Emeti Yakuf has issued several directives to his followers to conduct terrorist activities targeted at the Beijing Olympics.

    III. Memetituersun Yiming, also known as Abuduaini, was born in1974. He is a Chinese national with ID number 65302119740830003X. With technical secondary school education, he is one of the key members of the ETIM.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Participating and supervising the terrorist organization
    Memetituersun Yiming fled China and joined the ETIM in 1999. He received terrorist training in an East Asian country and became the bodyguard and driver for ETIM former head Hasan Mahsum. He then became responsible for the organization's logistics and fund-raising.
    2. Recruiting members and collecting funds for the ETIM
    For a long time, he took orders from his supervisor Emeri Yakufand by advocating extremist and secessionist ideas to encourage people in west Asia to join his organizations, and collect and raise funds for terrorist activities.
    He also plotted and organized terrorist attacks targeting the Beijing Olympics. In the first half of 2008, he went to a west Asian country and organized more than 10 ETIM members to launch terrorist attacks, and tested bombs, and prepared to enter China illegally to carry out his activities. He also attempted to use explosives in terrorist attacks on targets both inside and outside China.

    IV. Memetituersun Abuduhalike, also known as Metusun Abuduhalike, Ansarui or Naijimuding, was born in 1976. He is a Chinese national with ID card number 6532221976060144576 and a middle school education. He is one of the key members of the ETIM.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Participating in and supervising a terrorist organization
    He illegally went abroad in May 1996, and joined the ETIM in 1997 when he began to receive terrorist training. After Hasan Mahsum was shot dead in November 2003, he became a key member of the ETIM, and was responsible for the organization's website maintenance and computer management.
    2. Making videos of terrorist threats
    In June and July, he made video footage of terrorist attacks against the Beijing Olympics for Memetiming Memeti and Emeti Yakuf, and broadcast them on a major video-sharing website. The video encouraged terrorists to launch attacks on targets in China, to achieve the goal of creating an atmosphere of terror and spreading the influence of terrorism.
    3. Inciting terrorist activities
    For a long time, Memetituersun Abuduhalike advocated extremist and violent terrorist ideology among extremists in China, taught them how to make poison and explosives and other methods for terrorist attacks, and encouraged them to launch terrorist attacks in the country. With his propaganda and incitement, extremists in Xinjiang formed terrorist groups and committed violent attacks against government organizations, police and the public before and during the Beijing Olympics.
    4. Providing funds for terrorist activities.
    Since April 2007, Memetituersun Abuduhalike took orders from Emeti Yahuf and sent large sums of money through financial organizations to support the activities of terrorist groups in China, the Middle East and west Asia, to help them purchase raw materials for making explosives and poisons, to buy vehicles and rent houses, in preparation for terrorist attacks.

    V. Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti, also known as Saiyide, was born in 1972, a Chinese national, with college education. His ID number is 653101197211020819. He was identified by the United Nations as a core member of the ETIM.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti illegally exited China in 1999 and joined the ETIM in a south Asian country in May 2006. In October 1999, he received specialized training in the terrorist training camp, including using weapons and making bombs, and became a core member of ETIM.
    2. In December 2007, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti was dispatched by ETIM head Memetiming Memeti to a Middle East country, where he preached separatism and extremism among local Chinese, induced people who believed in extremism to join the terrorist organization, and built up a terrorist group to launch attacks abroad.
    3. From December 2007 to June 2008, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti raised money for terrorist attacks in the Middle East country. He purchased large amounts of chemicals for making bombs, and focused on a supermarket where many Chinese business people assembled as the attack target. He planned to blow up the supermarket before the opening of Beijing Olympics.

    VI. Aikemilai Wumaierjiang, was born in 1977, a Chinese national with junior high school education. His ID card number is 654126197706010012. He was identified by the United Nations as an ETIM member and a core member of the terrorist branch built up by Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Aikemilai Wumaierjiang illegally exited China in 2006. In December 2007, Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti encouraged him to joining ETIM.
    2. He assisted Xiamisidingaihemaiti Abudumijiti in the conspiracy to bomb a supermarket where Chinese business people assembled before the opening of Beijing Olympics.   

    VII. Yakuf Memeti, also known as Abudujilili Aimaiti, Abudula or Punjab, was born in 1976, a Chinese national with vocational secondary school education. His ID number is 652927760128101, and passport code is P.2631544. He is a key member of the terrorist group East Turkistan Islamic Movement.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Participating in terrorist groups
    Memeti fled China in 1999 and joined the ETIM in a south Asian country where he received physical training, and instruction on using weapons and making explosive devices for six months in 2007.
    2. Implementing terrorist activities
    In July 2008, Yakuf Memeti received orders from ETIM military commander Aimaiti Yakuf in a south Asian country, and planned to sneak into China for a suicide attack targeting the Beijing Olympics. He also accepted a secret task assigned by ETIM head Memetiming Memeti and gathered information on Chinese companies and neighborhoods in a south Asian country. With local informants' help, he located a large oil refinery as target, but his attempts failed due to strict security.

    VIII. Tuersun Toheti
    Tuersun Toheti, also known as Mubaixier or Nurula, was born in 1975. A Chinese national, his ID number is 653125750620041. He finished senior high school and is a key member of the ETIM.
    Charges against him include:
    1. Participating in a terrorist organization
    In August 1999, Tuersun Toheti joined the ETIM in a south Asian country and received training in terrorism skills. In 2002, he was designated to central and west Asian regions.
    2. Implementing terrorist activities
    In June 2008, Tuersun Toheti saw an ETIM terror threat video when he was in a west Asian country and contacted the organization's military commander Aimaiti Yakuf and key members like Memetituersun Abuduhalike in the hope of getting details of the terror plan. He also requested Aimaiti Yakuf send him chemical formulas of explosives as soon as possible.
    In July of 2008, Tuersun Toheti organized a terrorist team with the organizations and prepared for terror attacks. They were actively involved in raising money, buying raw materials to make explosives and testing explosions, conspiring to attack Chinese targets during the Beijing Olympics.

    Source:http://de.china-embassy.org/det/zt/a...or/t566108.htm

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    we should be collaborating to find more info on those troublemakers to make sure it doesn't lead into the US.

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    wat?

    I think those are white you are calling black. it rarely happens. close you eye and let evil runs in you.


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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uN32RSb92w

    Is this the Harmonious China that Hu Jintao talks about? I think those are Han Chinese murdering Uighurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Good points.

    I think the World leaders are giving China much deference and measured responses.

    I'm surprised the Islamic nations are quiet. How's the mood in Malaysia over this crisis? I recall a generation ago similar clashese between the Malays Muslims and Chinese communities.

    Perhaps some lessons learned from the Malaysian experience can be applied in China.

    The riots in Malaysia was due more to a weak government, disparity in wealth between the richer Chinese living soley in the cities and the poorer Malays living in the rurul area and sparked off by victory marches by the mainly Chinese DAP opposition party after an election (What's new. Even today election brings violence) . Most of the killings were by soldiers from outside. Local Malays and policeman actually protected the Chinese. The local Malays helped my grand father to escape just before their house was partially burned down again by outsiders.

    Malaysia under the authortarian Mahathir was the best period of national unity. Today racial problem is again due to the weak leadership of Badawi whose ancesters by the way are from China !

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMiddlePath View Post
    It is VERY clear the demonstrators were very violent. Smashing property due to anger at the government I may accept. Fighting with the police I can accept. But after seeing all those graphic pictures of dead bodies with head smashed, it is nothing but premeaditated murder. Its lynching a single innocent (including women) and gang beating with intent to kill then move on to another.

    Out of respect for the dead I hope no more of these picture are shown anywhere.
    Is this something in the Uigher culture that they be proud of this.

    Yet so far I have not seen any comdemation by so call human rights groups or even any western government.

    Sick to the core.
    Well said, I agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deagle View Post
    we should be collaborating to find more info on those troublemakers to make sure it doesn't lead into the US.
    That's exactly what I was thinking about.


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    they are not even welcomed in Bermuda. it cause unease among the public? they are now "peace" loving people? they will never be. check another hot thread today and look how people respond to Al Quaedo?

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