Syrian Armed Force

[sardukar]

you guys thrive on arguments don't you!
it's like no one can make a comment on your opposite side without at least 3 of yous charging in!
you know for a fact that the syrians never had better weaponry than israel
israel even started its own weapon programs very early in the struggle and YES with absolute support from the US.
you wanna tell me that doesn't count!?
come on grow up
you won the war and no one is arguing with you about that
fair play
but no need to be so immature about every single point anyone makes against you!
give some credit to the others where credit is due . . .

[Zeev]

you guys thrive on arguments don't you!
it's like no one can make a comment on your opposite side without at least 3 of yous charging in!
you know for a fact that the syrians never had better weaponry than israel
israel even started its own weapon programs very early in the struggle and YES with absolute support from the US.
you wanna tell me that doesn't count!?
come on grow up
you won the war and no one is arguing with you about that
fair play
but no need to be so immature about every single point anyone makes against you!
give some credit to the others where credit is due . . .

Israelis are smarter than syrians on all points, strategy, military engineering and weapons conception, etc, that's not arrogance but facts; just face it, it still doesn't change that syrians received the best from soviet union until 1990. On the other hand if they are incapable to develop their own weapon systems, that's their only fault.

"it's like no one can make a comment on your opposite side without at least 3 of yous charging in!"

That is called debating, you're on a public forum, members read you post and can take the right to reply if they judge that your arguments are biased.

About the fact that you're alone against 3 does not concern only us, there would be maybe more Arabic members here if their messages contained more known facts than propaganda.

[RoyB]

you guys thrive on arguments don't you!
it's like no one can make a comment on your opposite side without at least 3 of yous charging in!
you know for a fact that the syrians never had better weaponry than israel
israel even started its own weapon programs very early in the struggle and YES with absolute support from the US.
you wanna tell me that doesn't count!?
come on grow up
you won the war and no one is arguing with you about that
fair play
but no need to be so immature about every single point anyone makes against you!
give some credit to the others where credit is due . . .

Chill..
Read more about battles in the war and you'll find out that the Syrian had equipment Israel lacked.
Its not some ego thing.. its the truth.
Just read.

[sardukar]

Chill..
Read more about battles in the war and you'll find out that the Syrian had equipment Israel lacked.
Its not some ego thing.. its the truth.
Just read.

won't bother arguing with the others.
you sound more reasonable.

it's true that the syrians had a subtle advantage in some aspects notably the numbers, but wouldn't you agree that when it comes to training and equipment israel had the edge?
take the air force for instance:
upgraded f-4s and mirage 3 could take out anything the arabs had. Especially when well trained israeli pilots where in command.
you can argue some points but all in all I believe the idf was a better fighting force.

[Antua]

Russia confirms talks on delivery of MiG-31 aircraft to Syria


MOSCOW, September 3 (RIA Novosti) - Russia and Syria are in talks on the delivery of at least eight MiG-31 Foxhound interceptors under a contract signed two years ago, a Russian business daily said on Thursday, citing an industry official.
Kommersant said Russia has so far denied reaching a deal with Syria on MiG-31 sales, but Damascus insisted in May on the existence of a contract worth an estimated $400-500 million.
"A couple of years ago we signed two contracts [with Syria] - one on MiG-29M and another - on MiG-31. The first is being implemented, but the MiG-31 contract has never become effective... I hope that the contract will be implemented sooner or later," Alexei Fyodorov, the head of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), told Kommersant.
According to Kommersant, Russia's Sokol aircraft manufacturing plant started preparatory work for assembly of MiG-31 from hulls (without engines and weapons) kept in storage since 1994, when the production of the interceptors was officially discontinued.
However, the actual assembly has never materialized, the paper said.
The MiG-31 Foxhound is a two-seat supersonic interceptor aircraft developed to replace the MiG-25 Foxbat. It is equipped with two D-30F6 turbofan two-shaft engines with a common afterburner and a variable supersonic nozzle, which allow the aircraft to fly at supersonic speeds of up to Mach 2.83.
The interceptor also features unique air-to-air missiles capable of hitting targets at ranges exceeding 200 kilometers (125 miles), including aircraft with stealth capabilities, cruise missiles, and supersonic aircraft.
According to various sources, about 500 MiG-31s have been produced since production began in 1978, approximately 370 of which remain in service with the Russian Air Force.
The sales of MiG-31 aircraft to Damascus may spark criticism in the West and Israel, which consider arming Syria a threat to regional security, the Kommersant said.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090903/156008438.html

[GiladS]

but it's worth mentioning the syrian special forces performed well in 1973 despite inferior weaponry.

What inferior weaponry?

One example just off the top of my head... Syrian SF were issued the AK-47 which was more durable and had a greater effective range than the FN FAL which was issued to IDF infantry at the time.

As for the 'achievements' of the Syrian commandos in 1973... I take it that you are referring to the initial capture of the Hermon Mountain. Well considering the fact that two Syrian commando companies that were airlifted to the Israeli outpost had to face 14 infantry soldiers with proper comabt training (out of a total of 60 people who manned the outpost at the time), I don't think they, or we for that matter, have much to boast about.

[GiladS]

it's true that the syrians had a subtle advantage in some aspects notably the numbers, but wouldn't you agree that when it comes to training and equipment israel had the edge?
take the air force for instance:
upgraded f-4s and mirage 3 could take out anything the arabs had. Especially when well trained israeli pilots where in command.
you can argue some points but all in all I believe the idf was a better fighting force.

Regarding human resources and training you may have a point. The way the Syrian military is structured in terms of hierarchy and the relation between the commander and a simple soldier is flawed (very much based on a social class system).

As for the Syrian Air Force during the Yom Kippur War, it was was equipped with the MiG-21MFs that was on par while the SAMs disrupted Israeli air superiority.

[TR1]

Ak-47 had greater effective range than FAL?
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[RIPTIDE]

This is pictureas and photo thread. And an interesting one. Comments should be at a minimum.

[GB_FXST]

What inferior weaponry?

One example just off the top of my head... Syrian SF were issued the AK-47 which was more durable and had a greater effective range than the FN FAL which was issued to IDF infantry at the time.

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Maybe such things are natural …. But in the late 1980’s we were in awe of Syrian light infantry arms, in particular light machine guns, sniper rifles, and AT missiles to name a few … We also believed Syrian snipers to be very well trained and very dangerous.

Ak-47 had greater effective range than FAL?
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I think that you are right to question that. Off the top of my head, the FAL (NATO 7.62 / Win .308) should have better range and accuracy. But, AK wins for durability and reliability.

[GiladS]

I think that you are right to question that. Off the top of my head, the FAL (NATO 7.62 / Win .308) should have better range and accuracy. But, AK wins for durability and reliability.

True, I stand corrected... I blame the fact that it's 4:40 am over here.

[NimDod]

it's true that the syrians had a subtle advantage in some aspects notably the numbers, but wouldn't you agree that when it comes to training and equipment israel had the edge?
take the air force for instance:
upgraded f-4s and mirage 3 could take out anything the arabs had. Especially when well trained israeli pilots where in command.
you can argue some points but all in all I believe the idf was a better fighting force.

take all other qeuipment for instance:
In the Golan area, the IDF was using Centurion tanks with no added protection against T55 and T62 tanks.
In Kahalani's book 'Oz 77', he describes how in night times, his tanks were like sitting ducks with no way to find their targets at night with the Syrian tanks had Infra Red equipment.
The same goes with Anti Tank weapons (Israeli super-Bazooka vs RPG7), light weapons (FN FAL & Uzi vs AK47s), APC's (Halftrucks and M113 vs BMP1's). the list goes on, but I think you got the message.
And that's without mentioning the quantities of the Syrian Forces vs the IDF's.

[RoyB]

won't bother arguing with the others.
you sound more reasonable.

it's true that the syrians had a subtle advantage in some aspects notably the numbers, but wouldn't you agree that when it comes to training and equipment israel had the edge?
take the air force for instance:
upgraded f-4s and mirage 3 could take out anything the arabs had. Especially when well trained israeli pilots where in command.
you can argue some points but all in all I believe the idf was a better fighting force.

You're right on some things.
But, I suggest you to read NimDod's post.. that is what people here are arguing about.

[sardukar]

What inferior weaponry?

One example just off the top of my head... Syrian SF were issued the AK-47 which was more durable and had a greater effective range than the FN FAL which was issued to IDF infantry at the time.

As for the 'achievements' of the Syrian commandos in 1973... I take it that you are referring to the initial capture of the Hermon Mountain. Well considering the fact that two Syrian commando companies that were airlifted to the Israeli outpost had to face 14 infantry soldiers with proper comabt training (out of a total of 60 people who manned the outpost at the time), I don't think they, or we for that matter, have much to boast about.

wasn't too sure about the details on that one
but that particular operation is given a lot of spotlights
I was under the impression it was a major military acheivment on the part of the syrian sf

[sardukar]

Regarding human resources and training you may have a point. The way the Syrian military is structured in terms of hierarchy and the relation between the commander and a simple soldier is flawed (very much based on a social class system).

agree
you can also add lack of discipline due to the fact that a big portion of syrian soldiers come from rural areas - most of whom have never been to school.
hence very hard to train

how about the uzi smg?
as far as I know it didn't perform too good on the egyptian front.
what about in the golan?