Reply With Quotehmm... German wikipedia says its indeed German Leopard 1 A5 tanks
Since no one is planning on having WW3 here, i don't get what was the point in buying so many old tanks. Brazil is clearly trying to boost their image around the world but why buy old tanks
Buy a bit less but better, will serve them longer as well.
hmm... German wikipedia says its indeed German Leopard 1 A5 tanks
They are no older than the average Russian tank and can easily take on a T-72 for example.. But i dont think that's how Brazil imagine it used(tank vs tank).. More like a fire support vehicle for the infantry units along their border.. And Leopard 1A5 and the available ammunition is very good in that role.. And if the price is only 500.000$ then i think that Brazil have made a really good deal. I'm sure they will be very happy with themOriginally Posted by Red Bar0n
Since no one is planning on having WW3 here, i don't get what was the point in buying so many old tanks. Brazil is clearly trying to boost their image around the world but why buy old tanks
Buy a bit less but better, will serve them longer as well.
I don't know what's the spare part situation for Leo1 but they might have cannibalise large part of the fleet of 250 to keep the rest running. That would explain the numbers somewhat.
Found it again:
Leopard2A4 for Poland: 100.000 € each
Leopard2A4 for Finnland: 500.000 € each
Leopard1 general: 7000 € each!
http://www.welt.de/print-welt/articl...uderpreis.html
they already have 128 old Lepard 1 A1 which probably can be cannibalized to a great extend (though not completely since i think the A5 version uses a different turret)
i think the tanks for POland were more of a special price because they are our neighbors etc... didn't we sell them our Mig-29's for €1 each?
I don't know which tank is better but one thing i know for sure, they are both old.
Like i said, Leopard 1 is very old and in couple of years we'll most likely see a new gen tank which is going to make Leopard 1 look even more ancient than it is right now. Since they are buying tanks for the show it would be better if they'd buy more advanced tanks.
They are from Germany.
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/08/04/...rd-its-borders
Wiki on 1A5:
Leopard 1A5
In 1980 a research program was undertaken to study further improvements to the Leopard 1, providing it with a completely modern fire control system and fully effective night/bad-weather vision system. This was going to require even more room than the larger turret from the 1A3/1A4 models, so the decision was made to base the upgrades on the earlier models which were no longer competitive.
The resulting Leopard 1A5 was based on 1339 vehicles of the Leopard 1A1A1 model. The turrets were again modified for the 1A5, with a larger section at the back, both in order to store all of the new equipment, as well as to move more of the ammunition into the rear turret, as opposed to the left side of the driver where it had traditionally been stored. The storage locker extended the turret almost to the rear of the tank when the gun was facing forward. The new turret was also able to mount the newer 120 mm gun from the Leopard 2 if desired, although this option has not been used.
After trials the Krupp-Atlas Elektronik EMES 18 fire control system was selected in December 1983, developed from the EMES 15 used on the Leopard 2. The EMES 18 included two new sights on to the top of the turret, and no longer required the "bumps" as did the earlier optical systems. A crucial part of the upgrade was the introduction of more effective ammunition, including new APFSDS rounds.
The Leopard tank could also be fitted with bolt-on lexan armour panels, which have increased the effectiveness of the armour. These "modified" tanks have proved themselves in the field.
The first modified vehicle was delivered in early 1987. Since then almost all users of the Leopard 1 have also applied similar changes to their own vehicles, and in most ways the 1A5 can be considered the "standard" Leopard 1 today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_1
How are you going to defend a border the size of brazil's with a single regiment's worth of tanks?Isn't Leopard 1 an ancient tank? Why would Brazil spend so many billions on such a tank? 250 of them? I don't get it
I'd rather get 50 advanced tanks than buy 250 old ones, in couple of years someone will make a new generation tank and Leopard 1 will look even worse than it is right now.
theoretically the Leo 1 can still be upgraded a lot... in the late 80s there even was a Leo 1 A6 prototype with a 120mm gun, additional armor etc
it has armor, can drive and shoot - good tank in my book.
That can't be: only 132 Leopard 1 tanks were upgraded to Leopard 1A5(BE).
nothing at all.
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