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    In one way I see these as thugs who's goal is to cancel public meetings and infringing people's right of free speech.

    In another way, I see this sophomoric act as a last attempt by the health care insurance industry to keep the status quo.

    Rowdy protesters overrun health care meetings

    Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Thursday, August 6, 2009




    (08-05) 20:25 PDT -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent her chamber home for the summer recess with a list of talking points to respond to constituents' questions about pending health care legislation.
    But those traditionally sleepy town hall meetings have become rowdy shout-fests across the nation, including Northern California, with opponents hanging members in effigy and mocking them with Nazi and devil imagery in an effort to derail discussions of health care.
    They're organized in part by conservative think tanks like FreedomWorks, which offers tips on how to disrupt a meeting ("Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep's statements early," says one) and helped in some cases by anti-tax "Tea Party" sympathizers.
    More than 500 people packed a Napa town hall hosted this week by Rep. Mike Thompson, D-St. Helena, some shouting down panelists by yelling "This is America!" and "What's wrong with profit?"
    Three Aug. 15 East Bay town halls scheduled by Rep. Pete Stark, D-Fremont, one of the health care legislation co-authors, are the targets of one Tea Party group calling for a "counterprotest."
    A spokesman for Rep. Brad Miller, D-N.C., said this week he wouldn't be holding any town halls after his office received a death threat from a caller who said Miller "could lose his life over this."
    The Democratic National Committee fought back Wednesday with an online ad calling the protesters "mobs" embittered by Republican losses last fall. A Republican National Committee spokesman said Democrats "have reduced the concerns and opinions of millions of Americans to 'manufactured' and have labeled them as 'angry extremists.' "
    'Astroturf'

    When asked if the protests represented grassroots opposition to health care legislation, Pelosi, D-San Francisco, told The Chronicle this week, "I think they're Astroturf" - artificial grassroots support.
    "These are a few hundred people, the wingnuts, the far right extreme," said Morris Fiorina, a professor of political science at Stanford University, fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of "Culture War? The Myth of a Polarized America." "This is all sound and fury, designed to get the attention of the media, which it has been."
    As for its effectiveness: "There are doubts out there among the American people" about health care legislation, Fiorina said. "And to the extent that they can get people to pause and say, 'Hmm. I wonder how I do feel about this,' they've succeeded."
    While the Campaign Media Analysis Group estimates that $52 million has been spent on health care reform-related TV ads so far in 2009, others want to voice their opinion in person: Seventy-one percent of the respondents to a CNN poll said they were likely to attend a meeting where they could tell a member of Congress what they thought of health care.
    Some believe that Obama's vaunted online and grassroots operation has been outgunned. "I don't think they were prepared for the opposition to come out to the local meetings like this," said Nancy Scola, an associate editor for TechPresident.com, a nonpartisan site that examines the intersection of media and politics. "They're being too genteel."
    Town hall protests are nothing new. During her 1994 national road trip to promote health care reform, then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was widely heckled - with comments ripping the Clinton administration policy on everything from gays to abortion, contributing to the program's defeat. And liberal organizations and labor groups massed online and in person to help derail the Bush administration's 2005 effort to overhaul Social Security.
    YouTube's role

    The difference now is that these town hall protests take on greater significance when they are quickly posted afterward on YouTube and then picked up by the video-starved cable news channels. And there seems to be less interest in discussion than disruption, analysts said, which may start to backfire on conservatives.
    On Wednesday, an editorial in the Napa Valley Register - which endorsed Republican Sen. John McCain for president last fall - opined, "The display (at Thompson's town hall Monday) was unwelcome - and unsuccessful if it was meant to move health care reform supporters toward considering the concerns of the critics. Several callers to the Register on Tuesday reported they were repulsed by the aggressive tactics of some members of the crowd."
    In the 36 years that he's represented the East Bay in Congress, Stark said 30 to 50 people usually attend his town hall meetings - many of them familiar faces. He acknowledged that the protesters aren't doing anything illegal and that hearty discussion is part of democracy - until it prevents people from getting their questions answered.
    "It's my sense that these disruptions are orchestrated by hired guns," Stark said Wednesday. "If it gets to be too much, we'll just hold class outside."
    Visitors to a health care town hall scheduled for Aug. 29 in San Carlos by Rep. Jackie Speier, D-Hillsborough, are invited to "bring a blanket or lawn chair for a relaxing discussion with Jackie."
    "Maybe," quipped Speier spokesman Mike Larsen Wednesday, "we should take out the word 'relaxing.' "
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    but....but .....I thought dissent was patriotic.....
    I guess they missed the memo

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    In one way I see this as people finally deciding to let their representatives know how they feel about an out of control government.

    In another way I see this as an opportunity for Democrats to label all dissenters as extremissts, NAZIs, a mob, phonies, etc.


    Hmm, I wonder which view will prove true come November 2010?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avedis View Post
    but....but .....I thought dissent was patriotic.....
    I guess they missed the memo
    It came out after Bush decided to invade Iraq...Dissent bad. Toby Keith songs good.

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    So far the Dem party has provided zero proof anyone protesting or organizing the protests has anything to do with insurance companies.

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    I love the hypocrisy of the left, and even more so of the Obamunists.

    They practice and preach direct action campaigns, agitations, disturbances of meetings, getting it the face of the man. It's patriotic, it's all about individual and human rights against the establishment.

    When the right does it, suddenly the left sees such actions as thuggish, mob-like, sponsored by evil behind-the-scenes forces.

    In one way, I see it as direct action. Obama told us we should confront those who need to listen. Didn't he say to "get in their face". We need to make our voices heard.

    In another way, I see it as an opportunity for Obama's SA precursors to hone their skills for Zusammenstoesse they hope will occur. They'd just love to have the media present for a little Saalschacht where they could look victorious.

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    Dunno why we cannot have a discussion about this in a rational way-its a fact that 42 MILION americans have no health insurance-is it their fault ? Isn't the purpose of government to provide for ALL citizens ? Screaming yelling disruption are not going to solve what is a real problem concerning real people. Of course we can agree to disagree, I didn't vote for Obama, but I applaud his trying to do SOMETHING about this major problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCRTop View Post
    Dunno why we cannot have a discussion about this in a rational way-its a fact that 42 MILION americans have no health insurance-is it their fault ? Isn't the purpose of government to provide for ALL citizens ?
    No, it's not. Show me where it says it's the government's job to provide this or that, or healthcare.

    Screaming yelling disruption are not going to solve what is a real problem concerning real people. Of course we can agree to disagree, I didn't vote for Obama, but I applaud his trying to do SOMETHING about this major problem.
    Well, talking rationally doesn't get much attention, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post
    No, it's not. Show me where it says it's the government's job to provide this or that, or healthcare.
    Just what I was thinking, what they currently provide they do a p!ss poor job of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    It came out after Bush decided to invade Iraq...Dissent bad. Toby Keith songs good.
    haha oh ya I forgot we still are using a bunch of Bush's evil programs and tactics and rebranding them as pure rosy awesomeness.

    What these protesters need to learn about protesting is rule #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCRTop View Post
    42 MILION americans have no health insurance
    Does that number include illegal aliens?

    Isn't the purpose of government to provide for ALL citizens?
    Hell no. In every possible situation, people should be providing for themselves. Government should only be a last resort.

    I didn't vote for Obama, but I applaud his trying to do SOMETHING about this major problem.
    Just doing SOMETHING is likely to make things worse. The object is to do the right thing or nothing at all. Remember we're talking about medicine here:

    First, do no harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post
    No, it's not. Show me where it says it's the government's job to provide this or that, or healthcare.


    Well, talking rationally doesn't get much attention, does it?
    Sure it does.

    But if Government doesn't have to provide health to the people, then it doesn't have to provide education either. Where does it say that the Government must institute compulsory education?

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    Either way we end up paying for it.

    It a question of paying up front or paying at the ER.

    For me I can't see why people want the status quo while health insurance premiums keep going up.

    Especially businesses struggling to stay afloat and provide benefits at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Either way we end up paying for it.

    It a question of paying up front or paying at the ER.

    For me I can't see why people want the status quo while health insurance premiums keep going up.

    Especially businesses struggling to stay afloat and provide benefits at the same time.
    I don't know anybody that wants the status quo. What many of us want is real reform that does not involve a socialist takeover of our health sector.

    Tort reform.
    Common sense insurance regulation.
    Medicare/Medicaid revamp.
    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jobu View Post
    I don't know anybody that wants the status quo. What many of us want is real reform that does not involve a socialist takeover of our health sector.

    Tort reform.
    Common sense insurance regulation.
    Medicare/Medicaid revamp.
    etc.
    I think access to medical care connected with employment is a dead idea.

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