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    Quote Originally Posted by uk supercarrier View Post
    hello everyone im new and ive been following this thread since its conception particulaly happy slapper,thought you posted some excellent pictures,(not shore were you found them?)lol.now ive finaly logged in ive been dying to ask some questions such as will the prince of wales be a helicopter assault ship? i realy hope it doesnt.any info?
    Welcome to the forum.
    The simple answer is no. But as ever, there's a more long-winded answer, so here's the condensed version:
    The RN's carrier doctrine since the 1950s has been to have flexible flat-tops. The US tend to operate theirs in a straight-forward strike and local maritime dominance role, whereas we like our carriers to be more flexible (which suits our budget, fleet size, and Britain's overseas commitments better). We tend to have carriers optimised for one role, but capable of another. The ultimate example is the begining of the 'commando carrier' concept around the time of the Suez Crisis.
    We have a far more refined way of doing things now, and the current set-up is to have one of the Invincible class optimised for the strike role (with Harriers, Merlin ASW, AEW Sea Kings etc), and another in the Amphibious support role (Chinooks, Lynx, Junglie Sea Kings), plus we also have Ocean which focuses on troop lift and airmobile equipment. With this, the RN feels it can deliver a far heavier hammer blow, custom-made for the situation. It also means that when one carrier (or Ocean) goes into maintenance, we don't have a capability gap.
    So what's going to happen when the Invincibles bow out and the QEs arrive? Pretty much the same. Both carriers will be built to the same specifications (the contracts have already been signed), and both will be capable of operating either a classic fast-jet airwing, or operating in the commando support role. It's worth remembering that you're unlikely to see a full complement of F-35 (if that is the aircraft we end up with) on either carrier for many years, and we'll do much the same as we do now, by operating a composite airwing. The major different of course is the size of the ships, the fact that one carrier can essentiall perform the same number of sorties as all of our current carriers (incl Ocean) put together, and can perform air-defence, ASW, strike, surveillance, and other missions simultaneously.

    What I would suggest, is paying no attention whatsoever to what is written in the press. Thus far, they've not got a single thing right, and are blatantly lying in their reports (such as the Daily Express a couple of days ago, who quoted a 'senior official' who seemed to know nothing about how the RN does aviation).
    The bottom line is, that both ships will be built, and to the same full specification. There is zero indication (or sense) to the contrary.

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    thanks for the reply happy slapper and clearing that matter up,i did hear that we'll use harriers until the f35s are deliverd,i might ad if you buy royal navy monthly theres a nice poster and diagram of the queen elizabeth,im shore she'l look an awsome sight with her full compliment of f35's (like to see the argies take on this girl down in the falklands) ,hopefuly i'l be able to get tickets to see her launch in scotland,thats if the wife doesnt mind traveling hundreds of miles to see the rns strike carrier? lolClick image for larger version. 

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    UK Supercarrier - I don't know how old you are but you might wish to check your spelling/grammar as your posts don't make the best of sense.

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    Quick question. Are the QE class going to have a SAM system like the CDG, Cavour ect with Aster 15's or CAAM, or just the CIWS setup?

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    Apologies deltawhisky58, for the record im 26 but i have to admit i have dyslexia lol,so bare with me (pretty shore happy slapper understood my last post)

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    hello muttbutt,the answer is no there are no plans for aster 15 or aster 30 silo's to be placed on the QE she will be defended by her CWS and her air wing compliment,oh and the type 45 destroyers hope that helped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uk supercarrier View Post
    Apologies deltawhisky58, for the record im 26 but i have to admit i have dyslexia lol,so bare with me (pretty shore happy slapper understood my last post)
    My apologies to you, we get a lot of kids here especially once school is out - first week of the holidays here in Jockistan. I understood you but being a cantankerous old fart I was just being pedantic - that's nothing new to the folks around here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    What I would suggest, is paying no attention whatsoever to what is written in the press. Thus far, they've not got a single thing right, and are blatantly lying in their reports (such as the Daily Express a couple of days ago, who quoted a 'senior official' who seemed to know nothing about how the RN does aviation).
    The bottom line is, that both ships will be built, and to the same full specification. There is zero indication (or sense) to the contrary.
    Yes, the British mainstream press are embarrasingly poor regarding defence. There was piece in The Times titled 'Royal Navy to lose one aircraft carrier' stating the PoW may get built as a commando carrier seemingly oblivious to the fact that both ships will get built to the same specification and both will perform that secondary role when the other is used as a normal carrier.

    All defence journos seem to be leaked an MoD option now and again and run the story as though its fact.

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    No problem deltawhisky dyslexia i found holds you back when you want to let rip with an oppinion lol and i dont blame you like i said in my first thread ive followed you and happy slapper since the forum started and i must admit theres alot of youngsters with no idea of weapon systems and goverment procument,

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    sorry chaps how do i add an avatar to my profile from my computer?

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    Go to "Forum Actions" and then "Edit Profile", you'll then see an Avatar option down the left hand menu.

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    cheers delta hopefully its on there now?

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    Yup you've cracked it, well done.

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    cheers mate have a good night.

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    An update from the Aircraft Carrier Alliance's Director of Engineering, who is beginning his own blog of updates (which is going to make it alot easier for the visitors to this thread to keep abreast of developments).
    David Downs


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    ACA Engineering Director

    David is employed by BAE Systems, and is responsible for all the engineering work being carried out on the QE Class programme. Previously, he was design manager for HMS Ocean, Albion and Bulwark, and was chief engineer on the Type 45 Destroyer programme.
    Queen Elizabeth takes its bow

    7 July 2010 | By David Downs

    The concept of blogging was quite new to me until a couple of weeks ago when I was kindly invited to be a guest blogger for The Engineer, giving regular updates on the work which is well underway to deliver the two new Queen Elizabeth (QE) Class Aircraft Carriers to the Royal Navy. The editorial team thought it would be something that their readers would be interested in, so I would like to welcome you to my first blog entry in what I hope will be a series of many. I hope that you will find my entries interesting and if you have any questions please feel free to send them in and I’ll do my best to answer.


    Powering the QE Class

    I have recently had the pleasure of visiting both the Rolls Royce works in Bristol to see the second MT30 gas turbine being made ready for factory testing and also to Converteam’s factory in Rugby where the first propulsion motor was at an advanced state of manufacture. It was great to see these powerful pieces of equipment that are so essential to the operation of the aircraft carriers.
    Once the diesels are installed, the engine rooms will really start to take shape
    The Power and Propulsion (P&P) for the two aircraft carriers is provided through an Integrated Electrical Propulsion (IEP) system. This comprises six electrical generators, four driven by Wartsilla diesel engines and two by Rolls Royce MT30 Gas Turbines. The electrical power is generated at High Voltage 11kV and is used to provide propulsive power through four 20MW Advanced Induction Motors arranged on two propeller shafts. However, it also supplies the carrier’s mission systems and hotel services through ship service transformers which convert the voltage down to 440V for distribution around the ship. The system builds on the experience gained by the Royal Navy through the electrical propulsion systems used on assault ships HMS Albion and Bulwark and the IEP systems on the Type 45 Destroyers. The QE Class use very similar equipment fitted to that of the Type 45 Destroyers, but of course are much larger.


    Rolls-Royce engineers work on one of the Queen Elizabeth's diesel engines

    Two of the Wartsilla diesel generators have also been delivered to the BAE Systems’ shipyard in Portsmouth where they will shortly be installed onto their seats in the Forward Machinery Room that is being constructed there. Currently the Machinery Room looks like a huge empty space with lots of pads for machinery seats, holes in the decks and bulkheads ready for pipes and cables. However, once the diesels are installed and the major pipe runs and walkways are fitted ready to be closed off by the structural units above the engine rooms will really start to take shape.

    First ship sections delivered

    The very forward sections of HMS Queen Elizabeth have been constructed at Babcock’s facility at Appledore in North Devon. It’s a lovely little shipyard and I really enjoy my visits there, it is the only place involved with the Carrier programme (that I know of) where you get Cornish pasties for lunch and a Devon ice cream from the village shop after work!



    The bow has been constructed in two sections, the lower part being the bulbous bow, while the upper part is primarily tanks. These two large units were completed in March and were shipped from Appledore to Rosyth on a barge at the start of April. This was the first significant movement of a structural block on the project and was a good opportunity for us and our transportation sub-contractor to refine our processes prior to the much more onerous movement of the massive lower blocks 2, 3 and 4 starting next year.
    The detour gave the design team, the general public and local media an opportunity to get a good look at part of the ship
    The load out of the bow sections onto the barge went exactly to plan, prior to the official float out of the barge from the dry dock at Appledore on the evening of 31 March. Unfortunately the British weather intervened and strong winds prevented the actual movement of the barge until the following morning, but the well attended ceremony at Appledore was a huge success and a very proud moment for myself, my team and the Devon workforce. Continued strong winds caused the tug and barge to seek shelter at Avonmouth prior to the voyage to Rosyth, where the bow sections were offloaded. However, the detour did at least give the design team, many of whom work in the Bristol area, the general public and even local media an opportunity to get a good look at part of the ship, which they wouldn’t have been able to do otherwise. The units are now sitting on the hardstand outside our offices in Rosyth and are very tangible symbols of the progress being made. It certainly whets the appetite for what is to come!

    The Engineer

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