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What a coincidence cockneyjock on you posting the construction video,i was only watching the video on 4on demand of the type 45/daring documentery again,im still surprised how spacious they look,http://www.channel4.com/programmes/b...ip/4od#3089519 Thanks for the uss america link alabama,i have to say i was very surprised they dont have a well deck,but the gorgeous v22 ospreys are quite large looking beasties!
The America - which is the lead for a proposed 3 ship class (although no more are on order) - has always struck me as closely resembling a hurricane bowed Essex/Tico class carrier after that modification - I think the LHA 6 island still more resembles the original Essex island configuration than after the modernization program the carriers went through.
There will be NO mistaking a QE class ship though!(Unless the La Royale opts for the design for its second CV).
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Originally Posted by serge 750
I believe that's the issue holding up the ordering of more of the class - they don't have well decks like the new Essex class and no direct offload capability which means that the class will be solely an aviation ship which its critics argue will limit it's use. I'm thinking the USN is looking at the America as a covert sea control ship disguised with an amphibious mission ( but you know how conspiracy theories go....
http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/20...s-america.html
An interesting point - not valid because of the different missions and design of the two classes IMO QE's strike mission vs sea control in the aviation role for the LHA
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There will be NO mistaking a QE class ship though!
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Pretty sure the French have done a bit of a redesign on their QE with a single island,if they ever build it.
I'm not exactly a veteran poster but welcome USS ALABAMA.
I'm sure the French will ensure that, in their quest for cultural purity, their CV design will reflect a distinctly Gaulic appearance - eg: the CDG.
Thank you Briani (we have to start somewhere)!
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Even more updates from the ACA website!
The forward island is starting to come together.
http://www.1blueharbour.com/aircraft...hires/0049.jpg
More pics on the aca website.
Not trying to steer this thread into OT but since there is mention of PA2...
Pretty sure the French have done a bit of a redesign on their QE with a single island,if they ever build it.[QUOTE
There will be NO mistaking a QE class ship though!
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I'm not exactly a veteran poster but welcome USS ALABAMA.[/QUOTE]
FYI the "Twin Island" Thales design already is a French designI'm sure the French will ensure that, in their quest for cultural purity, their CV design will reflect a distinctly Gaulic appearance - eg: the CDG.
Thank you Briani (we have to start somewhere)!
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However, at the last Euronaval show (2010) DCNS presented this new designThales and DCNS CVF-FR concept
(picture: DCNS / Thales)
a couple of my picsDCNS "RXX" concept for French Navy's Future aircraft carrier shown during Euronaval 2010
(picture: Navy Recognition)
Nice pictures of the proposed newer french PA 2,it does look quite different from the QE class especialy her rear end,the lifts look smaller aswell,im still quite hoping the french hire our 2nd carrier when its not being used when CdeG is unavaliable,extra income for HMG! although i am envious they have hawkeyes,im sure we will see them accasionaly on queenie/pow.
Nice one Jdam well spotted mate.
xav the design if I remember correctly was created in Bristol, however it's the design the French owned company Thales used for its bid. Thanks for posting though.
Hi serge, as the US announced today smaller numbers of boots on the ground and more of a naval and airforce presence, i hope we will follow suit especially what with our Mr Hammond meeting sec Panetta this morning. I like the French but I want both carriers for ourselves (like everybody else here)
The second photograph posted by Jdam offers us a clear view of those openings at the bottom of the sponsons which have been the subject of some discussion. Has anyone learned what these are for?
I recall seeing somewhere that some machinery (generators?) were going into the sponsons so I don't know if they have been left open for the installation of machinery or not.
Do these photographs mean that another sponson has been lifted?
The French design depicted in the model is interesting from the aspect of the island which is fairly large and located well to the rear, whereas on the CHARLES DE GAULLE it is rather more to the forward end of the ship.
Indeed, the French even paid a fee to have access to the Intellectual Property... What I meant was this twin island design was already studied/considered by the French...
Jdami, I think the 'holes' showing on the lower / sloping plating is in fact a single large rectangular opening and not a series of openings. If one looks at the ACA website photos SP06 Rosyth 2 and then 4 it can be seen that the 'struts' across the oponing are temporary ( not evenly spaced and painted black ) and those supporting the deck on the inboard side appear similar. If this correct then they could be the areas for storing /launching boats mentioned in my previos post (1575).
The following article is taken from 'defensetech.org'
UK Concerned About F-35 Slowdown
The UK’s new defense (or should I say defence) secretary, Philip Hammond, today acknowledged that he is worried that further cuts or slowdowns to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program will hurt Britain’s ability to rebuild its aircraft carrier fighter force later this decade.
Remember, the UK decided to buy nearly 100 F-35C carrier variant JSFs for its new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers. However, it recently retired its fleet of Harrier jump jets, leaving the Royal Navy without carrier strike aircraft for the first time since before World War II. (As Hammond acknowledged today, a Royal Navy with aircraft carriers but no jets to fly from them is “a caricaturists dream.”) Britain plans to by the F-35Cs by the end of the decade. The problem is, the Pentagon is slowing the F-35 program yet again and will likely delay the delivery of 120 or more jets.
Hammond, on his first official visit to Washington, said he would be signing an agreement today on how the UK will rebuild its naval strike fighter fleet in the face of budget cuts and an F-35 slowdown.
“One of things I’ll begin to understand later on today in the meetings I’m having will be what, if any, impact the announcements being made today will have on the Joint Strike Fighter program,” said Hammond. The announcements he was referring to are the Pentagon’s unveiling of its 21st Century security strategy, a document that will guide weapons buys and cuts going forward.
He then gave a clue as to what the future of European defense will look like as the U.S. withdraws more troops from the continent and refocuses on Asia. Basically, Britain and France are going to have to field aircraft carriers to ensure the continent has that kind of power-projection capability at the ready since America will be focused elsewhere.
(Keep in mind that the UK and France have signed an agreement that calls for interoperability and even some joint-manning among France’s carrier, the De Gaulle and the Royal Navy’s two new Queen Elizabeth class ships.)
“We are committed to purchasing the carrier-variant and the regeneration of our carrier strike force is at the heart of our defense strategy. We believe it will bring a big gain for NATO and potentially be a big relief to U.S. efforts in the European sphere. We’ve worked with the French to ensure that we will have a European carrier capability [that’s] always available. But of course, we are concerned that any slippage in production or any reduction in U.S. numbers will have an impact [on cost] and with budgets very tight, we’ll be watching very close any movement in the predicted unit costs.”
Read more: http://defensetech.org/2012/01/05/uk...#ixzz1ig4owRIR
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Very nice pictures of both ongoing QE construction and the PA2 concept jdam and xav - Thanks! The concept model shows a nice design - somewhat Horizon Class in its island I think. Very French. It's unfortunate that the F35 program is being delayed, however, it's probably not a bad thing (in a global sense) considering the reports of difficulties the program is experiencing.
With the defense cuts the U.S. Military is facing, here's a novel approach to addressing the RN's F35 shortage and possible cuts in USN strike squadrons, why not stand up several RN/RAF squadrons - not a few pilots imbedded in U.S. squadrons, full FAA and RAF squadrons - operating off USN carriers and flying leased F/A 18's to gain carrier operations experience while the CVF's are finished?
All that would be required when (in a general sense) the CVFs are commissioned, would be type transition training from F/A 18's to F35's when they become available and Britain would have a solid core of carrier trained pilots. In the case of a contingency these squadrons could be used as Britain's contribution to the effort flying off either USN carriers, or conceivably off the CDG in a totally European operation - yes, I know that there would be interoperability problems that would have to be solved for flying off the CDG (can it operate F-18's?), however, as in the case of the F35, there would be no problems flying off a U.S. CV.
I now stand prepared to be picked to pieces...
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