Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[Blue Peter]

Yes CJ, consider yourself reprimanded WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE! - "A BOOT to the Head" for you" Harumph and all that...

http://www.jeffhead.com/usnavyfavoritepics/2007/Three supers.jpg

Lord - how would you like to be a rogue regime with these coming for you?

USS ALabama sir, impressive picture. speaking as ex army I have to say that pic shows what keeps the lid on international affairs! Can't wait until RN can support more fully with our own supercarriers.

Peter

[imperialman]

hi guys

I dont want to step on anybodys toes but this link was posted on another forum (thanks Zerg) thought it was bs but amusing,personaly i wouldnt mind a small split buy of dave B,cant see us dropping the dave C now,what a climb down that would be!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...strike-fighter

I stopped reading after " "cats and flaps" (catapults and arrester gear) "

[USS Alabama]

USS ALabama sir, impressive picture. speaking as ex army I have to say that pic shows what keeps the lid on international affairs! Can't wait until RN can support more fully with our own supercarriers.

Peter

Thank you sir! I find that site to be an excellent source for all things naval...

http://www.jeffhead.com/usn21/f35.htm

The bottom of the page contains all the sundry chapters and photos.

Best Regards

[Briani]

I stopped reading after " "cats and flaps" (catapults and arrester gear) "

Just going on the guardian website brings me out in a cold sweat.

As for the article itself,i must have missed a month because i thought it was March the 1st today.

[serge 750]

This bit interested me ...


A spokesperson for the MoD said: "We are currently finalising the 2012-13 budget and balancing the equipment plan. As part of this process, we are reviewing all programmes, including elements of the carrier strike programme, to validate costs and ensure risks are properly managed. The defence secretary expects to announce the outcome of this process to parliament before Easter



yes the cats n flaps was ammusing!

[serge 750]

good link alabama,nice cgi pictures of the ford.

[Jdam1]

Reading the guardian for views on the carriers is like going to the BNP for views on minorities, we already know what they are going to say!

[jonodavies12]

Reading the guardian for views on the carriers is like going to the BNP for views on minorities, we already know what they are going to say!

Someone posted this story on FB, this reply is perfect. :L

[jonodavies12]

From post 22, something to cheer eveyone up

Slightly topical at the 4:35 mark. :L Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6h8i8wrajA&feature=player_embedded

[jonas]

I'm not an expert on EMALS, but from what I can remember from Uni plus some comparisons with other aircraft suggest to me that it won't be a problem. Comparing the F35C to the lovely old Tomcat-the F35c has more or less the same max takeoff weight (about 70,000lb), bigger wing area (668 sq ft against about 550 sq ft) but much less draggy airframe, similar dry thrust (about 28,000 lb) but a little less with full burner (43,000lb against 57,000lb). F14 went offthe deck at max weight at about 155kts, with good broad spread wings. With those extra wing square feet and a good lifting body shape, I'd guess f35c takeoff speed at max weight to be similar to the F14 (though cant find any figures on that, so happy to be shot down!).

So EMALS plus ship speed has to reach 155kts to throw a heavy F35 into action.

The info I've seen on EMALS says it can throw a 100,000lb aircraft to 130kts, so an extra 25kts of ship speed would be enough to reach that 155kts even for a plane 30,000lb heavier.

Considering how unlikely it is we'd ever load an F35 to the gills like that, I'd imagine an F35 would leap off the deck!

Im not a navy man, though gents, just interested in the subject. So others may be able to shoot holes in my argument. Don't kill me!

Peter


http://www.edn.com/contents/images/207108.pdf

So we are talking of the vessel travelling at 25kts to give that wind over the deck,now given that on most days there is some form of wind at sea and that carriers turn into the wind for take off's we can safely say 'no problems'

[marktigger]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-delays.html

would say more with the Americans cutting their order and the unit price going up. Time for Rafael

[Blue Peter]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-delays.html

would say more with the Americans cutting their order and the unit price going up. Time for Rafael

Whilst I've nothing against Rafale or even Super Hornet, the overall F35 programme feels like it'll deliver a good next-gen plane. for 95% of our carrier uses F35 is probably overkill, but would be good to have that capability for the high-end 5%.

Japan is going for a fixed price guarantee on its F35s...might be the way to go for us too.

[CVerrier]

So we are talking of the vessel travelling at 25kts to give that wind over the deck,now given that on most days there is some form of wind at sea and that carriers turn into the wind for take off's we can safely say 'no problems'

I thought the concerns re CVF max speed was related not to takeoff but landing - in that the stall speed of an incoming (part loaded) F-35 was such that it would have to jettison fuel/weapons before landing.

[CVerrier]

New ACA Programme Directors blog post is up!

http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.c...tors-blog.aspx

[jonas]

Counter arguments are absoloutely fine with me but you have been abrupt to other peoples posts and obviously not heard my overly nice heads up about forum rottweilers.

Happy will be the judge of if I can post here, not u. Bama mate I'm chastised to the max my friend, he doesn't realise that the 2 posts he put on earlier were ignored for a reason.

This from a person who accused another poster of being a bigot,then refered to his post as Crap.

Hypocrite!