Reply With Quoteis there anywhere to the left of the spot that you can use to take photos?
Cheers Briani,Originally Posted by Briani
Unfortunately its due to be completed around 2016 (spooky coincidence or what) the span will go right across the pics you saw there which is rubbish for us. None of us wanted it here anyway all the locals voted for a tunnel, thats the SNP for you!!
is there anywhere to the left of the spot that you can use to take photos?
Yeah SDL there are places I can use, same place the other boy took pics with his Canon. Newton village basically.
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F-35 BK-1 First Flight by Lockheed Martin, on Flickr
see the royal navy logo on the wings?
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F-35 BK-1 First Flight by Lockheed Martin, on Flickr _
Get used to it,this is what you have got,it will grow on you I'm sure.
Again, probably ignorance on my part but I thought the F135 generated about 28000lb of thrust without reheat? Does it generate/use a lot less for VL?
Sorry for the sidetracking of the thread!
Yeah. When the pipe is bent 90 degrees, and the lift fan is sucking off power like a mo-fo, it drops the power a tad.
Interesting thanks!Yeah. When the pipe is bent 90 degrees, and the lift fan is sucking off power like a mo-fo, it drops the power a tad.
Good god this sounds like when i was in Uni and having a debate!
Jonas, for the record i am not flogging any dead horses, nor do i do misguided sentiments or wishful thinking about or reading something that is unlikely to occur.
I am not going to harp about this anymore as it worth noting views of senior members. My point is some decisions are questionable at best - and if you want an advocate for the F18 and catobar, then look no further the R ADM Chris Perry, and he will have more inside information than the lot of us put together. So if he is questioning the capability of any variant of the F35 not just the C or B, then we should be cautious also.
Let me ask you this, what if Costs escalate over the F35 and the Pentagon cancels the entire project altogether, do you think we should not have a plan B because it sounds like you've not thought of that?
Personally and as you are more than entitled to your view, then imho opinion, we should build both to STOVL and CATOBAR as JDAM clearly has stated already today the PoW is not exactly at the same stage as QE, and should heaven forbid, the B or even the F35 does not deliver in time then at LEAST we could be covered with one option. Not really good enough to build carriers of this stage and only fly helicopters off then.
I will make the last point, and i did say this quite a few times but you have distinctly glossed over the point, both QE carriers are intended to be 'future proof' and written into the contracts all parties are working from, so something does not add up and eventually the costs will come into the public domain. If you are so interested then write to Margaret Hodge MP who is the chair of the Public accounts committee, and you may find these costs come into play sooner than you think.
For your FACTS, it doesn't matter what you want to hang off a bloody jet or not as the MTOW is the MTOW no matter how you want to cook it, and if the USMC are using these without ski ramps, then you should take that as a fact not all carriers require ramps. The engines in the F35 are significantly more powerful than the Harrier but dont take my word for it, look on the LM website or even Wikipedia.
Last edited by QEC Eye in the SKY; 05-12-2012 at 04:16 PM.
I think the bottom line is that you will find under current government there is NO plan B unless they can find money to fund it,otherwise they will go for the cheapest option.that may include doing nothing and/or have a capabilities Holiday.
hey guys don't be pessimistic, they have change their mind twince in two years, maybe they are going to change back once more with the next bug on the B version
QEC,
Thank you.
Yes, skewed in favor of the navy. You know since UK is an island nation that has always been heavily reliant on the navy to keep its sea lanes open. Yup, can't have that.
In this latest switch back to STOVL great emphasis was placed on the ability to have carrier ability available earlier, maybe in 2018 depending on the delivery rate of Dave Bs. What use is the earlier service date when the planes aren't going to have the ability to use most of your ordnance? This is an issue with both B and C. ASRAAM is only cleared to be carried externally and will AMRAAM even be available still by that time? If AMRAAM is completely phased out according to schedule, the only weapons the Dave will be able to deploy at the time of the expected service date and still maintain stealth are the 2 1000 lb bombs. Pilots wouldn't even be able to defend themselves. Since the Block 4 software integration was cancelled to save money there is no estimated date for Brimstone, Storm Shadow, and Meteor to be available. Block 5 software isn't expected until sometime around 2020 or later. It would appear that any early carrier ability would be very limited.
Last edited by EliteF22; 05-12-2012 at 06:25 PM.
OK now I am confused. If they still plan a rolling landing will they not still need an angled deck or run the risk of plowing into parked/outbound craft? So does this design change include an angle deck but not cats and traps?Is it time then for a new designation for the carriers from STOVL to maybe something like STOSRL or SRTOSRL
if you checkout the Video called "The QE Class" here http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.c...o-library.aspx
this show the F35B will operate from the ship.
it also show both ships sailing side by side, that would be brill if ever came true.
Following might be of interest due to reversion to F35B,that is if one is prepared to keep an open mind on the matter.
http://warships1discussionboards.yuk...-radius?page=1
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