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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfah View Post
    I'm imagining the Netherlands with a QE class called the Karel Doorman, right now
    The names been taken by their new support ship (looks like an LPD) that will serve in both amphibious and support roles and will be replacing 2 old oilers in the next couple of years. The new De Zeven Provincien frigates (really full destroyers) are on par with DDG51's and T45's in capability and would make formidable escorts for the QE's in a joint operation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_D...ABn_%28F802%29

    I really believe there should be the highest level of integration between the RN and KM, similar cultures, history of cooperation, and world views. The KM could make up for the current shortfalls in escorts in the RN and could add oomph to amphib capabilities as well with their Rotterdams and embarked RMCs or KdMs. I really don't see the Dutch operating a full carrier though - too small an organization - about 10,500 personnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKB View Post
    So, anti-submarine Type 26 frigates to start in 2020, with general purpose Type 27 frigates in 2030? How many of each type?
    no,not quite all 13 T26 as

    8 off as ASW and 5 off as General Purpose(should be 8 )

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrilranch View Post
    Was not expecting these pic's.
    all fitted out as well,just need the Ipod to top it off

    Inside a typical cabin unit by QEClassCarriers, on Flickr
    Crew accomodation was apparently a priority when the design was started and they weren't kidding!

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    T26 BAE Final Design Photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdam1 View Post
    At Rosyth, yea I think it was the QE cruise ship that was constructed in a similar method, I wonder were the units were made?
    Possibly Ikea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uruzu View Post
    Man those cabins , so luxurious. Envy. Even a PC. ''Inflight'' movie entertainment ? o.O

    I'm still amazed at how thin modern ship hulls are.
    Me too they cant be much thicker than an inch and they have to last 50 years, mind you the paint they use to coat them is much better these days at preventing rust etc...
    Last edited by bob1949; 08-20-2012 at 02:43 PM. Reason: keyboard made a typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKB View Post
    So, anti-submarine Type 26 frigates to start in 2020, with general purpose Type 27 frigates in 2030? How many of each type?
    It says in the press release 13 which to me is an odd number, they are supposed to replace the T23. I like to see more but knowing this government I think we will be lucky to get a dozen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob1949 View Post
    Me too they cant be much thicker than an inch and they have to last 50 years, mind you the paint they use to coat them is much better these days at preventing rust etc...
    I guess it has more to do with how the steel is used. The structure has to be strong enough for the task in hand, and yet light enough to meet Archimedes' laws of buoyancy! The way the hull is built, using longitudinal and lateral framework, makes for an extremely strong, but very light structure, which is very easy to repair and keeps damage very localised. It's a bit like ripstop fabric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob1949 View Post
    It says in the press release 13 which to me is an odd number, they are supposed to replace the T23. I like to see more but knowing this government I think we will be lucky to get a dozen.

    do not forget that Gordon Brown sold off 3 T23 which were less then 7 year old to Chile on the cheap while doing nothing about replacing them with the T26's(build was to start in 2008,in service2012) bit like the carrier first thought 1997 order 2010 just before Labour got kicked out of power.
    the Navy got sold down the river by Labour, who now whinge on the other side saying the SDSR was wrong and they would do it better ( i.e get rid of the arm forces completely,then complain when the rest of the world walks all over us.)

    sorry RANT over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdam1 View Post
    I wonder were the units were made?
    Have a read here

    http://www.strongboxmarine.co.uk/con...s/defence.html

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    Crew accomodation was apparently a priority when the design was started and they weren't kidding!
    Yes, and why not - the men and women who sail in these ships are away from home for months at a time, work long hours in stressful conditions, and deserve every bit of it. Improved accommodation could be of significant help with retention in the navy. I only hope that all of the materials used for these cabins are fire retardant, non-toxic, etc. and up to an appropriate code for use in a warship. It will be interesting to see the other areas such as dining areas, wardrooms, etc. to see how they are appointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cockneyjock1974 View Post
    Thanks exdabtoe I stand corrected, apologies to the Andrew types on here
    Ah but in QEC they may not be bulkheads as the cabins can be self contained units as shown above which are not structural bulkheads ...

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    Little OT, since people has been talking about the Type 26 announcement, here is my report on the current situation. Follow the links in it to see other reports i wrote on weapons and other aspects of the ship.

    http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogs...kes-shape.html

    The design currently shown is the "basic" frozen idea of what the RN wants and BAE can give.
    Now there will be a couple years of detailed design to go before Main Gate is reached and we start moving towards the actual building.

    As to the photo of the CVF cabin, the internal shot i remember seeing long ago indeed, but this does not mean it is outdated. I think cabins have been in production for quite some time, after all. What's new is learning how they slot in. Very interesting indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnificent View Post
    Yes, and why not - the men and women who sail in these ships are away from home for months at a time, work long hours in stressful conditions, and deserve every bit of it. Improved accommodation could be of significant help with retention in the navy. I only hope that all of the materials used for these cabins are fire retardant, non-toxic, etc. and up to an appropriate code for use in a warship. It will be interesting to see the other areas such as dining areas, wardrooms, etc. to see how they are appointed.
    When I joined we were still sleeping in 'micks' and an overseas commission could last from 18 months to two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff_B View Post
    Ah but in QEC they may not be bulkheads as the cabins can be self contained units as shown above which are not structural bulkheads ...
    I'm sad enough that I went to look that up - A bulkhead is ANY vertical divider panel - not just structural ones.

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