Thread: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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    I dont think so Naval Oldie, if you look between the babcock shed and the QE you can see the sponson still sitting there

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    yeah, the sponson is still not in place. the thing that gets me is that it looks as though the other sections are more visible to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonas View Post
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    "What did we know then that seems so complicated now. I couldn't care less if they do a bodge job and weld an angled deck onto QE as long as it can fly more than helicopters off it"

    The point is that it doesn't have to be a bodge job,CVF as you know was designed to be altered to a catobar configuration if needed in the future so the plans for this must be in existance.

    We can say pretty much for sure that F35C ISD will be inevitably delayed,so that as you rightly say any delay to QE due to this conversion would be of little consequence.

    It would also give us time to train up a sensible number of core F35 pilots,who could still be training on US carriers whilst QE is doing ship trials,and once they are complete we could get on with commencement of flying training on QE itself.

    I will be hugely disapointed if QE sails as the largest LPH in the world,that is NOT an aircraft carrier !!
    Jonas you speak my language!

    Quote Originally Posted by Naval Oldie View Post
    Cockneyjock, it is difficult to see from your photographs but it looks to me as though the last post side sponson has been fitted to super block 03 leaving just the starboard after one left to fit later this month.
    Thats correct Naval Oldie one more to go, however its the one that benefits me the most. I know the pics are sh**e however its the best I can do .

    Quote Originally Posted by Jdam1 View Post
    I dont think so Naval Oldie, if you look between the babcock shed and the QE you can see the sponson still sitting there
    Thank you Jdam your more observant than me mate.

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    hi guys

    Thanks for the pictures cockneyjock,after november? when LB 04 arrives you will have a perfect vantage point ! it would be good if queenie does come out of build as a CATOBAR carrier even if there is only a handfull of F35C flying of her initially,im sure there will be a lot of cross decking with the U.S. & france to begin with as britain shows of her shiney new toy!

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    http://www.navytimes.com/...-tailhook-issues-011712/

    An update on tailhook problem from Lockheed-Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonas View Post
    http://www.navytimes.com/...-tailhook-issues-011712/

    An update on tailhook problem from Lockheed-Martin.
    Cheers Jonas that's a relief actually.

    Okay folks despite some confusion yesterday it looks like the port side sponson didn't get installed. Now this thing was connected to Goliath for 3 days obviously ready to go. Anybody got any ideas why it was stopped?

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    out of curiosity what sponson is ready to be lifted

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    Lockheed Martin has traced the Navy F-35C Joint Strike Fighter’s troubles with catching a carrier’s arresting gear wires to the tailhook design.
    Oh really? Thats where it was! :L I sense another caption coming up...

    'It's alright Pete, it wasn't the shape of the nosecone after all.'

    But yeah, good news it'll be fixed in a relatively short timeframe. My bet is you won't see this reported by our doom-mongering media, they don't report good news silly.

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    It's not a bad design, my understanding is that its mainly designed for coastal defence in US waters originally? They seem like fairly capable ships although time will tell how effective they are. What I don't get is how the hell they developed those ships without a decent cathodic protection system, I mean, this is a fairly basic ship design principle and the cost of damage to the propulsion systems due to this really can't be pretty!
    As CJ pointed out, it's the British Triton design that was selected along with the design for the Independence - the other LCS for production. It would make a fine coastal defense (or even Coast Guard interdiction vessel), but with the cancellation of the DDG1000 program after 3 ships, a large chunk of the envisioned operational doctrine is shot. By itself, as I expressed, it makes a fine anti-piracy and "show the flag" vessel for the 3rd world, however, I'll take a line from my days with the US Army's Light Infantry - "Too light to fight, too dumb to run"!

    JMHO

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    Hi Alabama just one wee correction, I said we gave u the design for the Triton! We didn't the US Dod paid handsomely for it

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    Good job you do live in Alabama,if you were in the UK now you would be on the wanted list by every PC organisation in the country.

    Heheh,

    I DO agree with you Jonas about PC running amuck, however, that quote was a historic reference to the days when the European colonial powers and the U.S. used to station their elderly, ineffective, and just plain weird vessels in out of the way corners of the world to show presence and "overawe the Wogs". Good case in point - China Station at Shanghai and the US Asiatic Fleet pre WW2 - The last armored cruiser left in the USN - the ex USS New York (a Spanish War veteran)/ USS Rochester - spent its last years there and it was still actually in the Philippines when the Japanese invaded where it was scuttled and is dived on to this day.

    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/usn/rochester.html

    That's why I have my opinion of these new LCS - I believe they are a modern version of that old naval practice and like the Cyclone Class Patrol Gunboats the USN built a few years ago, they'll eventually be eased out for something more effective (the USN sent them to the Coast Guard).

    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_di...&tid=2000&ct=4


    Sorry for any misunderstanding!

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    Hey CJ!

    TOO BAD!!!!! Hah!

    (Just Kidding)

    Best and Keep up the fine work!

    Bama

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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Alabama View Post
    Hey CJ!

    TOO BAD!!!!! Hah!

    (Just Kidding)

    Best and Keep up the fine work!

    Bama
    Cheers man, question for you if i may, see the carrier video I posted the other day,I've seen all ten episodes and what struck me was the large amount of honking attitude problems the younger crew had, for example basically not wanting to be on ship. Is this typical of the USN?

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    Cheers man, question for you if i may, see the carrier video I posted the other day,I've seen all ten episodes and what struck me was the large amount of honking attitude problems the younger crew had, for example basically not wanting to be on ship. Is this typical of the USN?
    Some ships are happier than others, however, considering the large number of crew the CVs have, I don't think it's too hard to find bellyachers... Particularly after a great deal of time out. Having said that, the US Military is drawn from the general population and we get a cut of every segment. Many kids are in the military because they couldn't get a civilian job and were attracted by the benefits and education programs. Many don't need to be there and probably won't be selected for re-enlistment if they apply.

    We're afflicted with the general decline in standards and entitlement attitude that everyone else is, however, due to the number of people applying for the Navy and Air Force these days, we can treat first enlistments as a trial run and be selective about our career force. The Marines only want to retain the top 10% of their first term force - they are VERY picky about it. The Army is less so, but with the cutbacks, I'm sure they will tighten up.

    Very sad. The military is one of the last places left in the US where someone with nothing but a good attitude and a desire to succeed can rise on their own merits to elevated heights... However, I also think that the film-makers were also looking for these guys and gals and if you look, you'll find. Hollywood has a very ambivalent relationship with the military for the most part. I was fortunate to be in a very selective career field and I didn't have to see much of that luckily and I wouldn't have tolerated it in my squadron..

    Best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonas View Post
    http://www.navytimes.com/...-tailhook-issues-011712/

    An update on tailhook problem from Lockheed-Martin.
    As always the press makeing mountains out of mole hills !

    Could it be to cold for the lift up there,with the chill factor and the minus temperatures? maybe the were being cautious.

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