Reply With Quotehappy in the picture there is a over hang above the two gentlmen at first i thought it was the under belly of the avaition command suite but then i realised its too small for that,any ideas chaps?
Steam or EMALS?Originally Posted by Xav
happy in the picture there is a over hang above the two gentlmen at first i thought it was the under belly of the avaition command suite but then i realised its too small for that,any ideas chaps?
so these two ladies are the size of the old Forrrestal class? If that ture DAMN!
Close..compare..
Queen Elizabeth class CVF
Displacement: 65,600 metric tons (72,300 short tons) (full load)
Length: 284 metres (932 ft)
Beam: 39 metres (waterline)73 metres overall
Draught: 11 metres
Decks: 16,000 square metres Speed: 25+ knots
Range: 10,000 nautical miles (18,520 km)
Capacity: 1,450 Complement: 600 (?)
Aircraft carried: 40 (50 full load)
aircraft, including:
Displacement: 60,000 tons Length: 1,070 ft (330 m)
990 ft (300 m) waterline
Beam: 129 ft 4 in (39.42 m)
waterline Draft: 35 ft 9 in (10.90 m)
Propulsion:
steam turbines 280,000 shp
Speed: 34 knots (63 km/h)
Complement: 4,378 sailors & Marines
Sensors and processing systems: SPS-48 radar Armament: Original armament:
- Eight 5-inch - 54 calibre guns
Refit armament:
- 3 eight-cell NATO Sea Sparrow missile launchers
- Three 20 mm Phalanx CIWS self-defense guns
Aircraft carried: Up to 90
Aviation facilities: 326m × 77 m flight deck
Thanks POPEYE. Yep that is close.
Thanks ...I'm digging for more info..when I find it I shall post it later today..Gotta go to church!
Interesting story in Janes today
Converteam develops catapult launch system for UK carriers
The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) is investing in the development of an electromagnetic catapult system for the Royal Navy's Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers in case procurement of the F-35B short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) version of the Joint Strike Fighter is abandoned.
Power conversion specialist Converteam UK announced on 20 July that in 2009 it was awarded a GBP650,000 (USD1 million) follow-on contract to continue the design, development and demonstration of high-power electrical systems for its EMCAT (electro-magnetic catapult) system and that work on the contract was nearing completion.
The naval director at Converteam UK, Mark Dannatt, told Jane's on 22 July that a small-scale EMCAT system had been completed in 2007 to prove the operation of modern linear motor, energy stores and control systems. Since then, extensive testing of the system has been successfully undertaken, as well as further work at the request of the MoD to enable Converteam UK to scale the system up to a full-size catapult suitable for the RN's new aircraft carriers.
"The EMCAT is designed to fit in the space envelope that has been allowed within the aircraft carrier for a catapult. The intention of building and designing a small electromagnetic catapult and then developing the technology so that it could be scaled up was always a de-risking exercise in case the MoD did not choose the STOVL aircraft or it was considered necessary to launch other types of aircraft from these ships. The option would then exist to fit a catapult and operate conventional carrier-borne aircraft," Dannatt said.
so if i'm reading this right. NO ski jump?
They'll only be without ski-jump if F35b is ditched.
Couple of videos of the work starting on the flight deck & hangars at Cammell Laird (ignore the fact the reporter seems to think Rosyth is in Glasgow)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-26936805/
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/82...Cammell_Laird/
Carrier construction begins on the Mersey
An Equipment and Logistics news article
27 Jul 10
The nationwide programme to build the Royal Navy's new Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers passed another milestone when construction on the first ship, the Queen Elizabeth, began in Birkenhead yesterday, Monday 26 July 2010.
Birkenhead company Cammell Laird is the final shipyard in the programme to begin construction and will build two of the sections that will make up the ship's giant flight deck.
Construction began yesterday when Minister for International Security Strategy Gerald Howarth started the crane that laid the first of the steel plates for the flight deck.
Together the two sections will weigh in at 7,500 tonnes - more than a Royal Navy Type 45 destroyer.
The work is worth £44m to Cammell Laird and will provide a significant number of jobs in the area, boosting the local economy.
As he toured the yard, Mr Howarth met some of the 1,200-strong workforce involved in the project - including some of the 72 apprentices. He said:
"Aircraft carriers represent a national asset for the UK. Power and versatility make them a formidable warfighting tool and able to fulfil a wide range of requirements in an increasingly diverse and changing global defence landscape.
Laying of the first of the steel plates for the giant flight deck of the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier
[Picture: Andrew Linnett, Crown Copyright/MOD 2010]
"The workers I have met here today are rightly proud to be a part of it and it's particularly exciting to see so many young apprentices learning their trade on such a prestigious project."Six shipyards across the UK are involved in the massive construction project - Govan and Rosyth in Scotland, Portsmouth and Devonport in the south, and Newcastle and now Liverpool in the north - providing around 10,000 jobs, with thousands more suppliers contributing with smaller contracts through the supply chain.
The Assistant Chief of the Naval Staff, Rear Admiral Philip Jones, said:
"Carriers offer invaluable freedom of action with four acres [16,000 square metres] from which to project power anywhere in the world.
"But they are much more than an air base capable of providing support to land operations and humanitarian assistance in disaster zones.
"They also play an important role in conflict prevention; their scale, range and capability making them a powerful statement of intent."
I wouldn't get too excited about the EMCAT stories circulating over the past day or so (well posted though, SlackBladder), until they work out what they're going to do about JCA, nothing will change. The most likely point came a couple of years ago, when we had the barney with the yanks about source codes.
happyslapper was the argument/disagrement about the source codes for the f-35 program resolved? oh and heres a picture i have not seen posted on here yet so i thought i'd post it,
HMS Queen Elizabeth Centre Piece Pride Of Place In Fleet Flagship
As the bow section to the Royal Navy’s new Super Carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, approaches completion, the Head of Capital Ships, Mr Tony Graham, presented, what will become her Commanding Officers’ centrepiece, to the Captain of the Royal Navy’s present Fleet Flagship HMS Ark Royal, Captain J R N Clink OBE.
On loan in HMS Ark Royal until HMS Queen Elizabeth sets sail, it has taken pride of place in the Captain’s dining area. Manufactured by Babcock Marine, the centrepiece is the first of a limited edition with further pieces manufactured for the First Sea Lord and highlights the special relationship between the UK and USA navies and also the importance placed upon Carrier Strike capability.
Uniquely designed, the centrepiece shows the two ‘First of Class’ plates welded together: the Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth and the United States Navy’s new generation of aircraft carrier, USS General R Ford; and displays the slogan: “Carrier Strike – welded together as a force for good.”
As she embarks upon the UK’s major multi-national interoperability exercise: Exercise Auriga, HMS Ark Royal’s Commanding Officer, said: “The production of the centrepiece is timely. During Ex Auriga, Ark Royal will be embarking 12 Harrier AV8B Harriers from the United States Marine Corps as well as the Joint Force Harrier’s One Squadron. This centrepiece symbolises the importance placed upon aircraft carriers by both the UK and USA’s and our commitment to providing power projection and effect from the sea.”
It's a subject that's been done to death on here (probably before you joined) and on other fora, so I'm not going to reopen that can of worms. But basically no, it's not resolved, and is likely to result in further strains and controversy when we get closer to decision time.
Not necessarily. EMCAT/EMALS can be fitted to ski-jump equiped carriers. They don't need to be fitted, and the USN would argue that you lose a couple of deck spots by retaining a ski jump. The USMC and RN argue differently. By hypthetically having both EMCATs and a ski-jump, it gives you a fantastic potential for the types of aircraft carried, and for inter-operation with allied forces (I'm not sure how USN pilots might feel about a cat launch from a ski-jump though). The ski-jump is it's own module, so potentially could be changed at the last minute without a knock-on effect to the rest of the programme. My feeling is that we will end up with a ski-jump.
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