Reply With Quotedoes anyone know where a more up to date list can be found?Originally Posted by cockneyjock1974
Cyrilranch, that table is old news i'm afraid mate, Italy have dropped their numbers down to 90 and i'm pretty sure the US will not be getting 2443 aircraft. The F22 was supposed to be 700 aircraft but was dropped to 170 odds due to cost increases and that was back in the pre market crash days. The real stickler in my throat is, you can be dammed sure the UK wont be getting 138!! 80-100 is my guesstimate.
does anyone know where a more up to date list can be found?
Nope i doubt there is one with a breakdown like that, since the US DOD extended LRIP batches to 8 and held back full production. The closest we have is the schedule Admiral Hussain gave to the Select Committee last June when he siad we would have 18 f-35 by 2020, 6 of which would be in the US as training aircraft and 6 would be earmarked to form the first half of the NSW.
BTW the QE will be conduct its 2018 aircraft trials in the US using US/UK aircraft, its possible we may step up production to give us at least 12 for nsw in 2020 but i rather doubt it as with having the USMC & Italy also after the 50 F-35b being produced per annum after 2017 we'll have to settle with our share
Still think now he has this spare £8 billon ref http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/
they should order more than 18 for use 2020 as Lockheed said they can ramp-up for export orders plus the unit price could be cheaper if we order big now rather then a drip feed order
Meh all this talk over the F-35s, they are old news, I'm looking to a fleet of navalized Taranis flying off these babies one day. That will be something
That'll be hard with no cat'sMeh all this talk over the F-35s, they are old news, I'm looking to a fleet of navalized Taranis flying off these babies one day. That will be something
The good news is that as the F-35 production line is going to be open for a very long time, so the MOD won't need to procure attrition aircraft in the same way that it did with the Tornado, Harrier and Typhoons. For 2-3 decades, any aircraft losses can be replaced by additional orders as the fleet needs to be replenished. Therefore, whilst the fleet can't all be front line aircraft as some of the aircraft will naturally be needed for testing, maintenance and upgrades, I suspect a higher proportion could be assigned to the FE@R than other fast jet aircraft have been.
This isn't in response to anybodies post but is JATO possible on carriers? what i'm getting at is Hawkeye folks...
If you can land a C130 without cats and traps ?
http://www.theaviationzone.com/facts..._forrestal.asp
I knew about this Jonas but always thought the landings were arrested for some strange reason, the Forrestal was the same size as CVF as well. Thank you for this.
The Forrestal was appreciably larger than CVF; 85000t and a tad over 1000 ft. long. Curious to know what the long term effects on the deck would have been landing those weights on a regular basis.
59,650 Tons standard and 81,101 full load.
Likewise Hawkeye is a far smaller and lighter aircraft than the C130,with a smaller wingspan so perhaps that may even things out. I wonder if they have ever done similar trails as with C130.
LM would love to but i rather doubt it would happen before 2017, the UK are going to want to ensure they order production aircraft not LRIP ones so as to ensure the aircraft are capable and not restricted by pre-production software, systems or structure. Many of the bulkhead fixes and engine issues with the F-35B are not expected to get on the production line till the last LRIP batch, so despite the spin about JCA on deck by 2018 the reality is its still going to be 2020 before we are likely to see NSW formed and even then it will be with a limited number of aircraft. All this assumes of course that the development and testing of the F-35B continues without a hitch, an F-35C arestor hook style hitch could trigger a 3 year delay whilt he problem is investigated, a solution found & tested before production can then implement the revised design (So finger crossed there are no further issues identified as the testing gets more involved in testing the operational capabilities).
I've decided to stop worrying about F35.
The reality is that ANY F-35 is still an order-of-magnitude upgrade over what RN has right now (nothing at all) or has had in recent years (a handful of Harriers).
The QE Class are not just all about shiny fast jets - they WILL be built, they WILL go into service (one at a time), and they WILL be hugely versatile platforms for all sorts of roles - they can be turned into offshore command ships, humanitarian relief centres, or a battle-group that would be able to defeat the armed-forces of the majority of countries on the planet. They are going to do extraordinary things over the next 50 years.
If I'm honest, I think there's a slightly childish view that the ski-jump makes the CVF look like 'not-a-proper-carrier-like-the Americans-have'. I think the trick is to stop comparing with the US (An old habit of the UK which still wants to be at the big-kids table, but is allowed there only because of historical precedent). Once you accept that UK is NOT a superpower, and won't be in the future, then its possible to relax and look at the positives.
Army: Equipment the best it's been for years, Apache, A whole raft of modern armoured vehicles, SNATCH Land Rovers out, Latest L85A2 rifles and battledress liked by troops, new Chinooks on order
RAF: With C17, A400M, Voyager, RAF transport will be in the best shape it's been for decades, Typhoon is OK, Tornado is OK with F-35 to come. RC-135 Rivet Joint to come.
Navy: Type 45, Type 26 to come, CVF+F35 to come, HMS Ocean, Bay Class, Astute Class, Lynx Wildcat and Merlin : All about as good as it gets.
Is it everything everyone wants? No. Is it enough to make the defence ministers of 90% of the planet VERY envious? Yes!
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