Reply With QuoteMost countries haven't needed a visa for Serbia in several years.
What's happening with Visa free travel throughout EU for Serbs?
Looks like I'll be in Beograd/Cacak/Zlatibor again post Christmas myself.
Originally Posted by LEGEND
A passport is required for travel to Serbia . U.S. citizens with tourist, official, or diplomatic passports do not require a visa.Up to 90 days within a six-month period.
Most countries haven't needed a visa for Serbia in several years.
What's happening with Visa free travel throughout EU for Serbs?
Looks like I'll be in Beograd/Cacak/Zlatibor again post Christmas myself.
Officially, visas for EU countries will be abolished in January 2010.
Nice. Personally, I would recommend Zlatibor during summertime. Less tourists, beautiful scenery, and it's easier to visit local villages and eat some real lepinja and kajmak. Though, if you try that last bit, you should go by car, in case you run into bears or wolves, and do not, and I repeat, do not get drunk with the locals, for you will end up in a fistfight. It's nothing personal for them, they're just bored, but that comes as little consolation when you have a swollen face the day after...
Sounds like you guys travel alot...lucky. I'm broke.
Press conference with FM Liberman in Belgrade
16 Sep 2009 Israel and Serbia have a long history of friendly relations and share similar views on many regional issues.
Israel and Serbia sign visa waiver agreement (photo: MFA)
FM Liberman: It is a great pleasure to be here today in Serbia and meet the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mr.Vuk Jeremic.
Our two nations have a history of friendly relations which date back long before our states were created. In the worst period of human history, during the Second World War, Serbs and Jews fought together, shoulder to shoulder against the Nazis.
Minister Jeremic and I had a very open and friendly meeting. I briefed the Minister on developments in our region, mainly the challenges that Israel is facing in order to ensure security and normal life to its citizens. Regarding the Palestinian issue, I emphasized the steps that Israel has taken in order to improve the lives of the population and our readiness to engage in direct negotiations without delay.
We also discussed in length the threat that Iran poses to the stability and security in the Middle East as well as in the whole world. Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons is a global threat and should be dealt with by the international community in a serious manner. Our view is that doing “business as usual” with Iran is sending a wrong message to the leaders in Teheran, who bluntly ignore the international will and norms.
Minister Jeremic and I exchanged views on other regional matters, and I can say that we do share similar views on many of these issues.
We also discussed our bilateral relations and matters of mutual interest. The scope of our relations has developed in all fields. We are both satisfied with the fact that Israeli investments in Serbia have continued to grow this year, despite the uncertain global economic situation. We agreed to work together in order to seek ways to increase the cooperation even more, especially in bilateral trade, agriculture and high technology.
The signing today of a visa waiver agreement between Israel and Serbia marks an important step in strengthening our relations. We initiated this agreement in order to reduce the obstacles for Serbian businessmen and tourists who want to visit Israel.
I would like to thank Minister Jeremic once again for the very warm and friendly reception and reaffirm the friendly relationship between our countries.
Thank you.
Question and Answer Session
Q: Could you give us your position - isn’t Israel under pressure to recognize the independence of Kosovo? And your Balkan tour, could you tell us, is it more political or economic? Is the Balkans your new priority?
FM Liberman: I personally believe that it is impossible to impose peace. You need to create peace. We have our experience in our own region, and I think that the best way to resolve the problems and to bring about a comprehensive solution is direct talks between both sides.
We are monitoring the situation between Serbia and Kosovo, and we really hope that in the future, in the next few years, you will achieve a really comprehensive and peaceful solution.
We really think that in our activity in the Balkan region in both directions – economic and political cooperation must be much better. We can strengthen these relations, and we need more discussions and meetings on the highest level.
Q: Excuse me but you did not answer. Is Israel under pressure to recognize Kosovo?
FM Liberman: We have been under pressure since 1948 on many issues and we know how to deal with any pressure.
Q: A question for Mr. Liberman. We just heard that peace and security in the Middle East will lead to peace and security in the world. So considering your tough language for some regional leaders, Arab leaders in other countries, what is the common ground for you and those who are supposed to negotiate with you - among Palestinians, Egyptians, and Iran? And what is your common ground with the USA, Europe and Russia, who are trying to have valid relations with Iran? The USA is supposed to be the strongest ally of Israel, so what is the common ground with Obama’s administration on these issues?
FM Liberman: I think it is clear to everybody that the biggest problem of the Middle East is the radical wing. It is the clash between moderate and extremist people. It is not disputes or disagreements between us and the Palestinian Authority. We have said from the first day of this government that we are ready immediately for direct talks with the Palestinians side. The Palestinians have refused to date to sit around the table and to start with the talks.
Q: So there is no common ground…
FM Liberman: Despite this fact, we continue to strengthen the Palestinian Authority. We have diminished the number of road blocks and we continue to invest in the Palestinian Authority.
The real threat for the Palestinian Authority is not from Israel. The real threat is Hamas and Jihad. And the real threat for the Hariri coalition in Lebanon is not Israel, but Hןzbוllah. And the biggest threat for Egypt is not Israel, but the Muslim Brotherhood. And the biggest threat for the NATO troops in Afghanistan is the Taliban. And the biggest threat for instability in Pakistan is also the Taliban.
And I think that this fact of the radical Islamic wing in the Middle East is a really clear vision for the United States, for us, for all people around the world, for moderate people.
From the Israel ministry of foreign affairs
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+...6_Sep_2009.htm
Yep, have been in summer too - it's beautiful. I done my boozing years ago, it's hard to start fights over coffee now.
Though the quiet in winter is nice too, when you get away from the town and houses. Tracking animals in the snow is good fun.
Sorry for off topic
I would like to ask our albanian "friends" to stop trolling in this thread and to stop trying to impose their biased vision of history and learning to jews what happened during WW2, please just don't worry about us, we know very VERY well who murdered us and with who we should be friend with or not.
As Sousuke explained it, Yugoslavia was a resistant nation, and they were also croats and others among resistance but Serbs were the majority in the resistance troops, this is proved and it is very tiring to see the jealousy of the other ethnies of the ex Yugoslavia towards the serbs every time this debate is approached.
So please stop with that and accept history facts once for all.
Thanks for your understanding.
PS: If you still want to debate about the proportionnality of serbs in the resistance during WW2, you're free to open a new thread about that, but don't do this here anymore.
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My dear Israeli friend, one individuals' opinion doesnt speak on behalf of all Albanian members, now do they?
You are derailing threads and going off topic, just like you always used to do prior to getting banned under the nickname "The Balkan". I'm 99.5% positive that you and "The Balkan" are the same person (the amount of "lols" in every post is a big giveaway, BTW) and I certainly hope that mods will look into this closer.
No it's not. Serbia is as much of a successor as Croatia, Montenegro or Macedonia. In no way (legally, officially or rightfully) is Serbia more of a successor of Yugoslavia then other ex-Yu countries.
Thats because nobody in ex-YU thinks Chetniks were good guy except Serb. They think that way because Chetniks collaborated with enemies, they represented a highly oppressive king's government and in their program they had genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Yes, the Serbs were a majority in the resistance troops, but they were also a largest nationality in Yugoslavia. If you take in to account percentage of nationalities and there contribution in Partisan movement you'll see that they weren't the biggest contributor. I think Slovenians where the biggest contributor per capita and I know that Croats from Croatia were 40% above Yugoslavian average. They made 22% of troops, but only 16% of population. Serbs form Croatia were a biggest per capita contributor, but not Serbs as a whole.
Did you read my previous post? this thread is about Visa abolishment between israel and serbia. You want to approach the WW2 debate? Just create a new thread. Sounds clear no?
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Why do you insist on derailing a Serbia-Israel thread with propaganda that has nothing to do with the subject?
Canadian professor Michael Neuman explained it perfectly.Talking about WW2.
" a largely Serbian force(Partizans) fought the Serbs who massacred Moslems, but no largely Moslem force fought the Moslems who massacred Serbs, and no largely Croatian force fought the Croatians who massacred Serbs. In this clear and concrete sense, wartime massacres were committed by Serbs but not 'the Serbs'. Nothing similar can be said of 'the Croatians' or 'the Moslems'. It is also worth noting that protests against anti-Serb atrocities are recorded among the Bosnian Moslems, but not among the Moslems of Kosovo."
Please leave this thread if you are just trolling.As for Serb-Israeli relations like Zeev stated the Jewish people know very well who did what.Any book written before 1990 the facts are there.Since the war there has been an
a major effort to try and erase historical facts,paint over accepted (until 1990 )truths and create new ones in their place.Anyone who knows Balkan history pre-1990 can see this.Terms have been made up and new meaning created.Its called cultural genocide.The important thing is Jews and Serbs have shared a similar history that is why today we have good relations.The other former members of Yugoslavia can't stand this so they have to attack it.
What INAT said is, at least from my point of view, true.
My grandmother lived through ww II with her mother, aunt and brother in South Eastern Serbia, between Bela Palanka and Pirot, which was part of Bulgaria during the war, given to them by the Germans.
I know quite a few family stories that involved Jews and the suffering they have gone through during the war, there was a great Jewish population in my part of Serbia, around Bela Palanka, Pirot and Nis (where I live) before the war.
In 1942 Bulgarians for the time being didnt arrest their Jews so a lot of Serbian Jews tried to escape from Bela Palanka (Serbia) to Pirot (then Bulgaria). I can't imagine the horror of one Jewish women that was forced by circumstances to pick one child and go to Bulgaria and leave the other with the neighbours of my family. And later, as in can turn out in life, the child that was left behind was picked up by it's father, who fought in the war but the mother and the other child that she took got arrested ( in 1944) I think by the Bulgarians and disappeared.
My mothers aunt got educated in Wiena before the war and she had a Nazi Officer lover during the war (something we're not proud of obviously) who got her a job in the administration, to translate to Serbian and stuff. She told family friends, Jew family that had an apothecary in that small city Bela Palanka about the order to start rounding up the Jews. The thing I admire incredibly is that the old Grandfather and his wife, the couple that actually owned and run the apothecary stayed by choice, so no suspicion would fall on my aunt and the young ones could have a better chance to run away probably. There children and grandchildren ran away to Albania where Jews had a little more room to breathe I think. They kept in touch with my family long after the war.
Old Man and his wife got killed but that kind of sacrifice is something I will always admire.
I hope you dont mind me sharing my personal stories, I am not talking about Serbia as a whole or anything like that, there is anti semitism in my country, my opinion is there's not a lot by there are some small ultra right wing organizations that used to name Richard Holbrooke and Madeleine Albright as representatives of Jews, stuff like that. I am not making saints out of my family, trust me they are notand my knowledge of Jews in Serbia is unfortunately limited to wikipedia articles but this is what I learned from my family, what I know is true and what helped me shape my personal opinion of Jews.
It is not my intention to add to flaming in this topic and I really think that if you consider this post of mine a "flame", if you got a problem with it, it's safe to say you got a much bigger problem with yourself.
By the way, is Israel a pricey location to visit? I've always wanted to visit Tel Aviv, Sderot, and Jerusalem
Good for the 2 people who goes there every year.. lol
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